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Pope John Paul II is *NOT* Dead (FOX Now reporting Heart/Brain still functioning)
April 1, 2005

Posted on 04/01/2005 10:22:54 AM PST by Dont Mention the War

Confirmed.


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To: terabyte

Tearful ping.


201 posted on 04/01/2005 10:40:27 AM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

Prayers sent.


202 posted on 04/01/2005 10:40:31 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Dont Mention the War; All

Rest in peace, JPII. And my condolences to Catholic Freepers.


203 posted on 04/01/2005 10:40:33 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: newzjunkey
Only 2 other popes have served longer: one of them St. Peter.

May he rest in peace. His successor has some big shoes to fill.

204 posted on 04/01/2005 10:40:46 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Dont Mention the War
He is with Terri and we will be hearing from them both.


BUMP

205 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:08 AM PST by tm22721
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To: All
Here’s a link to a great gallery of the pope with this century’s politicians:

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/ny-popejp_political,0,2419598.photogallery?coll=all-homepage-utl&index=1

Photos of him meeting with them all, good and bad: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Gorby, Arafat, Castro, Thatcher, Sharon, Mubarek, etc.

206 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:12 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

Even though not a Catholic, I had a great deal of respect for him.


207 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Thank you. Everyone in Eastern Europe and Russia, owes their freedom to this man, regardless of their religious belief.


208 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Why on earth did you post that to me? I'm not doing anything of the sort!

Ohhh..I am so sorry !! I meant to change it from your name to "All". I am so sorry Rutles3Ever ! My intent was NEVER to address it to you. Please accept my apology.

209 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:24 AM PST by Neenah
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To: krb
AP NOT YET Confirming , recent wire follows:

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Today: April 01, 2005 at 10:35:25 PST

Pope Said Conscious, in Grave Condition

By VICTOR L. SIMPSON
ASSOCIATED PRESS

VATICAN CITY (AP) -

0401pope-health Pope John Paul II suffered heart failure and was in "very grave" condition Friday, but he was lucid and spent the morning celebrating Mass and receiving top aides, asking one to read him the biblical account of Christ's Crucifixion and burial, the Vatican said.

Spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls choked up with tears as he told reporters about the pope's worsening condition. He said the 84-year-old pontiff had been "informed of the gravity of his situation" and rather than be hospitalized, he decided to stay in his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square, where thousands of pilgrims gathered to pray for him.

John Paul participated in Mass and received some top aides in the morning, Navarro-Valls said.

"The pope is still lucid, fully conscious and extraordinarily serene," Navarro-Valls said. He said the pope had unstable blood pressure and remained in "very grave" condition.

The critically ill pope appointed a large number of bishops and other church officials, the Holy See said in an afternoon statement that gave no new information about his condition.

Among the top church officials who gathered at his bedside was Archbishop Paolo Sardi, the Vatican vice chamberlain. The chamberlain runs the Holy See between the death of a pope and the election of a new one.

Another visitor was Cardinal Edmund Szoka, the governor of Vatican City and former archbishop of Detroit, who said the pope was being given oxygen.

"As soon as he saw me, he recognized me," Szoka told the "CBS Morning News." "I blessed him and as I did, he tried to make the sign of the cross. So he was perfectly lucid, perfectly conscious, but was having a great deal of trouble breathing.

"And I don't know how long he can continue with that. They were giving him oxygen and all that sort of thing, helping him," Szoka said.

Thousands stood vigil on the square outside, many tearfully gazing up at his third-floor window, and millions more around the world paused to pray for him.

In Wadowice, Poland, people left school and work early and headed to church to pray for their native son.

"I want him to hold on, but it is all in God's hands now," said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized in Wadowice, southern Poland. "We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments."

In the Philippines, tears streamed down the face of Linda Nicol as she and her husband asked God to grant John Paul "a longer life." Muslims in France were praying for the pontiff because he was a "man of peace," said Dalil Boubakeur, president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith.

Navarro-Valls said John Paul asked aides to read him the liturgy of the Third Hour - the biblical passage describing the final stage of the Way of the Cross, the path that Christ took to his Crucifixion. In that stage, according to the Bible, Christ's body was taken down from the cross, wrapped in a linen shroud and placed in his tomb.

Monsignor James Moroney, executive director of the Secretariat for the Liturgy for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said the Third Hour is especially significant for someone who is dying because tradition says Christ died at 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

"Because the Third Hour is the hour at which Christ died, this particular hour from the Liturgy of the Hours would have particular significance," he said.

Navarro-Valls said the pope followed attentively and made the sign of the cross.

"This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years," Navarro-Valls said. Choking up, he walked out of the room.

John Paul's health declined sharply Thursday when he developed a high fever brought on by the infection. The pope suffered heart failure and septic shock during treatment for the infection, the Vatican said, denying an Italian news report that he was in a coma.

Septic shock involves both bacteria in the blood and a consequent over-relaxing of the blood vessels. The vessels, which are normally narrow and taught, get floppy in reaction to the bacteria and can't sustain any pressure. That loss of blood pressure is catastrophic, making the heart try harder and harder to compensate for the collapse.

"The chances of an elderly person in this condition with septic shock surviving 24 to 48 hours are slim - about 10-20 percent, but that would be in an intensive care unit with very aggressive treatment," said Dr. Gianni Angelini, a professor of cardiac surgery at Bristol University in England.

Vatican officials said the pope was receiving antibiotics, but asked to remain at his Vatican apartment and not be taken to the hospital.

The pope received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening. Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed both for patients at the point of death and for those who are very sick - and it may be repeated.

The Rome daily La Repubblica reported Friday that the sacrament was administered by John Paul's closest aide, Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who serves as his private secretary. Dziwisz had given the pontiff the same sacrament on Feb. 24 just before the pope underwent a tracheotomy to insert a breathing tube in his throat at the Gemelli Polyclinic, the newspaper said.

Italy's Apcom news agency reported Friday morning that the pontiff had fallen into a coma, but the Vatican dismissed the report.

Among the aides John Paul received Friday were Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's No. 2 official; Undersecretary of State Archbishop Leonardo Sandri; the pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini; his doctrinal chief, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger; and the Vatican foreign minister, Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo.

The pontiff was treated in his apartment by the Vatican medical team and provided with "all the appropriate therapeutic provisions and cardio-respiratory assistance," the Holy See said. It said the pope was being helped by his personal doctor, two intensive care doctors, a cardiologist, an ear, nose and throat specialist and two nurses.

Heart failure occurs when the heart no longer has the strength to pump blood through the body, and is a sign that the body's cardiac system is failing.

Dr. Paolo Nardini, a Rome physician who is not part of the pope's team, said a heart attack affects only the heart, while heart failure signals a "breakdown of the entire system, basically uncurable."

Dr. Peter Weissberg of the British Heart Foundation said septic shock "puts a phenomenal strain on the heart."

"Those already suffering from heart disease - including those with heart failure - are even more susceptible to septic shock," he said. "Infection triggers a profound loss of blood pressure, depriving organs around the body of their vital blood supply and putting an enormous strain on the heart."

Even the fittest patients need special care and medicine to survive, he said.

Ruini said John Paul was "profoundly serene and fully lucid."

"I prayed with him for a moment which profoundly moved me. Certainly the pope has completely left himself in God's hands. I invite all Romans and Italians to intensify prayers for him in this moment," Ruini told private TG5 television.

He said a special evening Mass for the pope would be held at the basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome. The patriarch of Venice, Cardinal Angelo Scola, also planned a Mass in St. Mark Basilica.

Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul has become a picture of suffering.

His 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.

It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions.

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210 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: TonyInOhio
Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners
Now, and at the hour of our death. Amen

Amen.
God Bless the Holy Father.

211 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:31 AM PST by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

John 3:16 begs to differ.


212 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:32 AM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: meandog

Amen.

I am not sad.
This good man had a full, long and very meaningful life.
He is where he longed to be--with his God.


213 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:43 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: Dont Mention the War
I really hate to break it to you, but MSNBC is not the be-all-and-end-all of the news media. Sorry you're left behind.

They are transmittinglive from the Vatican now (1:40 pm est) and only state his condition has worsened and he's lost consciousness.

214 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:44 AM PST by infocats
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To: markman46
"A great and Holy man is not in the arms of GOD"
tell me that is a typo!
215 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:58 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Dont Mention the War; NautiNurse; firebrand; Coleus; NYer; Salvation; StarFan

Shep Smith saying the singing in St. Peter's Square right now is impromptu, not organized...


216 posted on 04/01/2005 10:41:58 AM PST by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, Pope John Paul II)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

EWTN playing sombre music with pictures of the Pope throughout his life.


217 posted on 04/01/2005 10:42:02 AM PST by mhking (If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!)
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To: bjcintennessee; Lancey Howard; MEG33; jennyjenny; Prime Choice; PhilDragoo; Kitty Mittens; ...

ping ......... to a wonderful picture of a man


218 posted on 04/01/2005 10:42:11 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: BigEdLB
I believe that he has nieces and nephews in Poland...

One of my favorite pictures of this Pope included his niece. He is standing in a walkway with arches on each side. The niece is about 4 years old and spinning around, as little girls love to do in a dress. He is clapping and laughing with her in joy. Just a remarkably human moment.

219 posted on 04/01/2005 10:42:30 AM PST by myprecious
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To: Oberon
That's arguably true, that Karol Wojtytla was the greatest Pole ever. Of course, you have to argue past Jan Sobieski, who led the defense of Vienna against Kara Mustafa and the Turks in 1683 and so prevented a wholesale Turkish invasion of Europe.

Sobieski is definitely #2. However, JP II was instrumental in saving the world from an even graver threat than the Turks--World Communism.
220 posted on 04/01/2005 10:42:45 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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