Posted on 03/31/2005 4:45:33 PM PST by lancer256
I hope mr. limbaugh is correct:
Schiavo: Awakening A Sleeping Giant by David Limbaugh
It is just possible, contrary to my original thoughts, that the tragic Schiavo case will not usher in a slippery slope toward euthanasia but cause a double-barreled backlash against both the "Culture of Death" and judicial activism.
To be sure, the legal precedent established in this case, at least in Florida, represents an affirmative devaluation of human life and opens the door to further troubling scenarios, involving the state-sanctioned murder of the inconvenient, based on "quality of life" assessments.
But I sense in this nation a growing outrage at the arrogance and unaccountability of our judiciary, and at the cavalier attitude many are exhibiting toward life.
(Excerpt) Read more at davidlimbaugh.com ...
So restate -- If a person is obviously in such a mental state as to not be able to make a proper contract -- then the refusal should not so easily be accepted -- efforts should be made to suggest -- strongly -- that the patient should accept what will be needed to live. But is the refusal continues even in the face of that cajoling -- it's a refusal. If the person is greviously impaired -- drugged, unconscious or nearly so, seriously dazed and refuses then yes treatment could be started under the assumption that the refusal is ignorable.
But a advance DNR order? That's a vile document unless the person is clearly in their last few days of life -- and even then why not hydrate?
Thank you very much
Agree with you on the first part, but not on the advance DNR. You and I may disagree with someone's decision, but I do think it is their's to make.
When people see someone in a physical condition that they find distasteful, they think that it is a life no longer worth living.
I have to admit, that I don't believe that I would have wanted to live as Terri Schiavo did for 15 years. This entire issue has me baffled.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the death of Terry was a sin, as it was the taking of innocent life. Nonetheless, I believe that the authorizy of legal guardians should not be over ridden by the feds. This leads to the path of socialism & (for example) the gov't taking away children, caues they disapprove of how their parents raise them.
By way of analogy, I recognize that my support of war in Iraq meant the death of some innocent folks (along with the guilty ones). That is the price of war. No one wants it, but when you wage war, you accept that it will happen
And I also recognize that my support of 2nd amendment rights results in the death of innocent life (a price to be paid for the larger social good of self-defense).
Folks, it is time to sober up, and recognize the price to be paid for our freedoms. If we are not willing to pay that price, we have ceased being conservatives, and have become bleeding hearts
One person who was able to communicate.
Only brain injured patients get killed by those "respecting their wishes", because only brain injured patients can't change their minds.
Dead folk can only be raised by a supernatural encounter with Jesus Christ. The world is dead, it's captives are dead and headed for eternal death! The good news is Christ is coming back to set the record straight, execute righteous judgment, and set up a new world that will give life, rather than promote death.
You know, I think you doctors are especially loved by God. He gives you guys and gals a formidable intellect that you translate into helping people live better and longer lives. I've liked all of my doctors. Haven't always listented to them, but liked and trusted them all. Is it true that it is no longer mandatory to take the Hippocratic Oath?
Or so we think.
It was never mandatory, but was an universal custom until the 1970s (I swore the Oath in 1976).
There are a variety of leftist "new oaths" kicking around to permit abortion and euthanasia, but none have really caught on.
One thing missing from the Schiavo mess was a real doctor-if Terri had had one, things would never have turned out like they did.
All in how you phrase the questions, friend. All in how you phrase the questions........
Let me write the polling questions, and I swear I can show you how 75% of Americans think Hitler was a swell guy.
According to an article posted on National Review Online, Cranford stated that he was still PVS nothwithstanding what he could do. Lucky that the California Supreme Court told him he was nuts, but why is a doctor like that able to be the catalyst in a decision that ended up taking Terri's life? Very scary stuff, if you ask me.
I pray this is so - I pray we don't just 'get on with our lives>
It's imperative to realize that Terri is about us also - and the millions more that will be sentenced to death - if we so not fight this battle thru.
Terri is our beacon.
Decades ago there was Roe vs Wade - who, then, could've conceived how that would evolve into the murder of 40 million and counting innocents?
If we do not get the right laws passed, the "wrong" laws struck down, get the activist judiciary reined in, we will see millions of us put to death "for the good of society" - It is you and me and our children and grandchildren that will be targeted.
Fight now - and die in your own time.
But let us apply to and in the public discourse the distinction I have been making concerning the aspect of Judge Greer's edict which was morally wrong, but perhaps correct under the law (i.e. pulling the feeding tube) and the aspect which was manifestly wrong both morally and as a point of law: the ban on any attempt to provide sustainence orally.
The media and the polls have falsely framed this as a 'right to die' case, falsely protrayed Terri Schindler as having been 'brain dead' for years, and focused on the feeding tube. The poll questions conflate the answers of those who actually support this judicial murder and would like to be rid of inconveninent family members should they ever be 'burdened' with the care of an incapacitated spouse or parent, with those who are thinking "I wouldn't want to live like that" on the basis of the false notion of Terri's brain death.
Doubtless most of us on this board would not want our body to be sustained by machinery if we really were brain dead (in an extreme example if our still warm headless corpse was picked up and hooked to machines to preserve cellular and organic life at great expense after an Islamist had beheaded us).
We must see to it that the public debate centers on the failure of the court to follow the legal understanding of brain death, the failure of the court to recognize the unsuitablity of an adulterous husband as a guardian for an incapacitated wife, and the issuance by the court of orders contravening Florida statutes by forbidding natural, non-medicalized feeding of Terri Schindler. A spoonful of broth is not an extraordinary medical intervention!
the poll questions were skewed to bring about the desired results.
This is not a political issue - it crossed the lines of politics and religion.
if we don't fall asleep at the wheel now, we can keep the momentum going and swing this country back from the abyss
No, the problem was a judge who didn't follow the laws of Florida, which explicitly forbid both assisted suicide and the denial of food and water to disabled persons. And a gutless governor who wouldn't enforce the statues duely passed by the legislature.
Or perhaps not gutless, perhaps just not creative enough in his thinking about how to preserve both the rule of law and an innocent: the correct course was not appeals or new laws, which was all anyone seemed to think of, but enforcing the existing ones, even if it meant sending state troopers or the National Guard to arrest Judge Greer and the local police enforcing his orders.
Unfortunately, I heard today that he's protected from suit - forget the why's of it. But they certainly have all their ducks in a row.
And I think it better to pursue a "Terri's Law" - put the energy and time into something positive.
HINO will get his. He's already afraid to go out in public - even before the death threats, he was getting shunned. His face is known everywhere and he is also, I've read, 6'6 or 7"...so unless he walks on his knees, he will stick out loud and clear.
And Terri wont be forgotten. If we all work on "Terri's Law" to change corrupt laws, to cut the activist judges off at the knee, etc. Her face will front and center everywhere. There is no escape for the POS, michael.
And I imagine there'll be some real bad karma catching up with him. He'll be watching over his shoulder the rest of his life.
Umm
Jeb got "Terri's LaW" rushed thru the Florida Legislature in 2003 when they pulled her feeding tube - and he got it put back in on the 6th day.
Later, the judges threw the law out as unconstitutional!
That is why judicial activism must be stopped. It's the part of the legislature to MAKE laws, and the judges to uphold them - not throw them out. And this is going on all across the country. We are on the brink of anarchy and we had best wake up soon.
Terri has opened our eyes. Now, in her memory - and to protect our children and grandchildren, we'd better dig in and work.
So all laws are, by definition, constitutional?
No law should ever be thrown out by a court?
sometimes it's wise not to judge such things. Life has a way of delivering us as example, so's we can see what it's like from the inside out.
Then we find a whole new light on the issue
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