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Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan
MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx

TRANSCRIPT Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005 The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics. Below is the transcript of their conversation.

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?

DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.

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To: Recovering_Democrat

No kidding. Codeblueblog is my newest addiction. Dr. Boyle thus far is the only doc to put his money where his mouth is.


61 posted on 03/29/2005 10:27:26 PM PST by Electrowoman
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To: jess35
"He's a sicko because he's not a Christian Fundamentalist...or because he pointed out that the parent's doctors brought no evidence to the table?

Which is it?

He's a sicko for inferring that the medical opinion of Dr. Cheshire was produced simply because he is a "fundamental christian".

Why would a physician do something like that, or more specifically, why would Cranford feel the need to publically declare that Dr. Cheshire's opinion is unworthy because of his religious beliefs?

62 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:16 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: texasflower
A single CT scan cannot differentiate acute from chronic change.

[check your freepmail, texasflower]

63 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:17 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Eagles6

I'm certainly not an expert, but I can read it well enough to understand that Terri's brain is in very bad shape.

I wouldn't expect anyone to make a firm diagnosis based on one scan, but on the other hand the scan is pretty clear in the fact that Terri's brain injury is more significant that some want to accept.


64 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:19 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: All

I just read a very well thought out article on FR about Terri's case. It's by ethicist Eric Cohen. It's a tad lengthy but an easy read and one of the best articles I have read for continuing to give Terri food and water. For anyone interested, here it is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1370607/posts


65 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:29 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: concerned about politics
Oh, I get it. It's all a grand conspiracy of the entire state of Florida to murder a woman who has NO FUNCTIONING cerebral cortex remaining.

Can anyone explain why...that is if you're not too busy fending off the special operators rappelling down into your backyard from the black helicopters waiting to snuff you out.

66 posted on 03/29/2005 10:29:18 PM PST by jess35
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To: supercat

"So were the nurses who wrote that she vocalized things like "stop" when they did things she didn't like simply imagining it?"

They (the nurse) wasn't imagining it, they were lying. There was no record in all of her files baring out what they said. If a person thought to be in a PVS started talking, EVERYBODY would know.


67 posted on 03/29/2005 10:29:36 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: supercat

Have you heard her vocalizations? They are the same sounds over and over again.

They do not sound like words at all to me.


68 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:06 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: supercat
So were the nurses who wrote that she vocalized things like "stop" when they did things she didn't like simply imagining it?

BTW, a brain that suffers dehydration is naturally smaller due to the lack of fluid. There's a good chance the man doing the autopsy is a pro-death crony (chosen by Michael and his lawyer - again!) and counting on people not knowing that. Prepare yourself. These people have no souls!

69 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:42 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: jbstrick

No. But they can show significant damage as this one has.


70 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:46 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: supercat
The same nurses whose testimony was deemed "incredible" at trial? Yeah, terri sang and danced with the Nurses but just had a vacant stare when the doctors came in the room.

It's all just a plot.

71 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:56 PM PST by jess35
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To: jbstrick
"it's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist. It's just not true. "

LOL, I guess if one is Christian fundamentalist one knows not what one is talking about huh?

72 posted on 03/29/2005 10:31:01 PM PST by jpsb
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To: texasflower

Not meaning to offend you, but I certainly hope that my illnesses and ails are not treated only by methods available in the 80's!!! Medical advancements are like dog years. What medicine can't do today, it can do next week with ease.


73 posted on 03/29/2005 10:31:41 PM PST by karenz
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To: texasflower

Did you bother to read through the info in the link I posted? Are you a radiologist? I'm not. I suggest if you are (since you apparently know how to read brain scans) that you take Dr. Boyle up on his $100k challenge! That would be some spending cake, eh? Even for well paid medical professionals like yourself! Unless you're not a doc. In which case, read the link all the way through, please.


74 posted on 03/29/2005 10:31:44 PM PST by Electrowoman
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To: flaglady47

Good post flaglady.


75 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:11 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: jess35

"Can anyone explain why...that is if you're not too busy fending off the special operators rappelling down into your backyard from the black helicopters waiting to snuff you out."

ROFLOL!!!!!


76 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:11 PM PST by flaglady47 (O)
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To: Ethrane

You are misinterpreting what was said. Context matters.


77 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:18 PM PST by jess35
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To: texasflower
As I said, I am not any kind of an expert. I am not even a novice here. In fairness, it sounds like you are familiar with CT scans, and I am waaaay out of my depth here - so I will bow out by simply saying that I don't think the comparison of the two pictures is valid. I know enough about cross-sectional views to see that. But that doesn't mean I am in any way interpreting Terri's scan.
78 posted on 03/29/2005 10:33:25 PM PST by madconservative
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To: flaglady47
I'd easily believe a "Thou shall not give false testimony" Christian doctor long before I'd believe a "kill the imperfect zombies" doctor any day !!
One has the religion of truth. The other has a father of lies.
79 posted on 03/29/2005 10:34:07 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: jess35
"It's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist."

Now, how can you take this out of context?

80 posted on 03/29/2005 10:34:10 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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