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Schiavo's father makes another appeal for daughter's life
apan Today ^ | March 29, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 03/28/2005 4:16:15 PM PST by bookworm100

PINELLAS PARK — The father of Terri Schiavo on Monday made a desperate, 11th hour appeal for authorities to reconnect a feeding tube to his severely brain-damaged daughter, and said he feared doctors might try to hasten her death.

"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: death; euthanasia; schiavo; terrischiavo
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

You are right.
Hellenism: Definition
Hellenism's greatest contribution lies in its accentuation of personality.
Women had an important dignity and status to fufill an ambition for professional or business careers, even far from the native town, in one of the metropolitan centers. By the side of great leaders or alone we see women who, through intrigue, crime, flirtation, and keenness of mind, gain immense political influence and power.
Religiously, Hellenism was marked by freedom and tolerance towards all persons and races.
Philosophy in Hellenistic Greece had lost much of its former originality and vigor: it was less creative reflection than evaluation; less thought than literature.
Interchange of populations resulted not only to the interchange of ideas and beliefs, but of habits and customs and manners, as well. Corruption, indolence, sensual life and idleness were exchanged for the old industrious and virtuous way of life. Marriage was devaluated, divorces were increased and almost every vice was unrestrained: immorality, pederasty, infanticide avarice, cruelty, suicide, indecency in public places, etc.


21 posted on 03/28/2005 5:34:31 PM PST by bookworm100
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To: sponge_worthy
FL statute definition of PVS.

765.101 Definitions.--As used in this chapter:

(12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

She was obviously conscious in that video. There was obvious voluntary action. She smiled and laughed, that requires a higher state of cognition. Smiling and laughing are considered communication when babies do it. She doesn't fit a single parameter of FLs legal definition of PVS, which by the way isn't brain dead either.

22 posted on 03/28/2005 5:38:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: sponge_worthy
Get Bent! All you have been doing is hitting these threads with you high ended BS. You also made some idiotic statements on another thread about Catholics and Terri not being a good one because perhaps she may have smoke or drank before...umm hello McFly... Catholics are allowed to smoke and drink...You are a fool that thinks they have it all figured out. You lash out with cold descriptions of Terri Schiavo's state-when you have no clue yourself.....

GET THEE BEHIND ME LOSER TROLL!!!!!! BLAH-BLAH-BLAH YOURSELF!
23 posted on 03/28/2005 5:39:41 PM PST by repubzilla
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To: sponge_worthy

Yes, our energy could be better directed at someone that actually has hopes of recovery. There's no hope for you. You're in a PLS (persistant liberal state). Get lost, troll. Your hemlock society has a meeting tonight, I'd bet. Gotta get those talking points sharpened up.


24 posted on 03/28/2005 5:40:06 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: sponge_worthy

Did it ever occur to the zealots out there that maybe he's doing all this because it really is what Terri wanted?




Did it ever occur to YOU that a person who has fought THIS hard and THIS long NOT to die, might just NOT want to die?

Have you really done any research? Michael is afraid that if he loses control of Terri's DEATH, she just might actually make progress enough to be able to tell the world what REALLY happened the night she "collapsed" -- they'd been arguing, she called a friend, now that friend wishes she'd not listened to Terri's 'no, don't come over' and gone over there. Terri might be alive. DIVORCED and ALIVE.

Does it ever occur to you that DEATH BY STARVATION is MURDER? If you wish to experiment, let me suggest YOU go without food and water for 10 days. Then we can just call it "suicide."


25 posted on 03/28/2005 5:41:14 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (SAVE TERRI SCHIAVO'S LIFE -- send in the Guard or Marshals. Let's Roll!)
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To: sponge_worthy
MS's motives for wanting her to die are purely speculative but off the top of my head I can think of a few - she is in the way of his wannabe 2nd wife. Also, to him, Terri is not the same Terri he married and he may not have had the real love required to take care of her. I think too it was the money in the beginning. I think he underestimated the public outcry for Terry.

Do you think that Ralph Nadar is a religion Zealot or Lanny Davis, David Bois (atty for Gore) or even Jessie Jackson?

Like I said, what Terri's wish is unknown. A man that lives with another woman and has children with her, is not in a position to determine whether or not his PVS or minimally conscious wife lives or dies.
26 posted on 03/28/2005 5:46:49 PM PST by gnan4d
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To: sponge_worthy
MS's motives for wanting her to die are purely speculative but off the top of my head I can think of a few - she is in the way of his wannabe 2nd wife. Also, to him, Terri is not the same Terri he married and he may not have had the real love required to take care of her. I think too it was the money in the beginning. I think he underestimated the public outcry for Terry.

Do you think that Ralph Nadar is a religion Zealot or Lanny Davis, David Bois (atty for Gore) or even Jessie Jackson?

Like I said, what Terri's wish is unknown. A man that lives with another woman and has children with her, is not in a position to determine whether or not his PVS or minimally conscious wife lives or dies.
27 posted on 03/28/2005 5:48:18 PM PST by gnan4d
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To: gnan4d
I will freely admit that I am a Newbie and a Johnny come lately to the Terri Schiavo debate, but it would seem that a divorce would solve your first speculation. I guess the larger question is who should be able to make this decision for Terri? Assuming (and I know it is a BIG assumption, which many here are unwilling to make) that Terri did express a desire not to live as she currently is living to Michael, should he not be the person to now make that decision for her? What about his current situation (another woman and kids) changes his right to make the decision, if that is what Terri expressed to him as what she wanted. Is it because his current situation creates a suspicion of ulterior motive, (even if one does not exist)?
28 posted on 03/28/2005 6:18:48 PM PST by cpbreakers
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To: cpbreakers

I don't know what you are asking regarding divorce. What I am saying he has a conflict of interest by having another woman and kids. Lets just say he may not be quite as devoted to Terri.

Also, maybe she did say that was what she wanted (to die) but why did it come out after he won the malpractice case? It just doesn't make sense why he would go to court for money for therapy and medical needs for the rest of her life (30 or 40 years). He wins big money and then he suddenly remembers that she wanted to die. The large amount of money was based on her life expectancy and necessary care. Doesn't that seem like he is trying to cheat the system? Add it up. It doesn't make sense.


29 posted on 03/28/2005 6:30:27 PM PST by gnan4d
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To: Bahbah

What compounds the obscenity of this is that it's happening in America. And what exactly are we doing over in Iraq et al??


30 posted on 03/28/2005 6:50:33 PM PST by Norman Bates (Pray for Terri)
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To: sponge_worthy

Perhaps the gentleman who signed up on 3-28-05 should ask if this lack of "progress" has anything to do with Michael Schiavo unceremoniously ending her rehabilitative therapy in 1992.


31 posted on 03/28/2005 6:54:52 PM PST by Norman Bates (Pray for Terri)
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To: bookworm100
I know this is a little off your exact topic, but I am trying so hard to think of something that might create some way for someone to stop this killing.

I just sent this fax to Gov. Bush. Now, be nice...no criticism of Bush allowed. This is not for battle. We must all refrain from being negative and hope he can still do something. I hope this helps:

March 28, 2005
The Honorable Jeb Bush, Governor Florida

Urgent: To Save Terri Schiavo

Dear Governor Bush:

Please consider this comment:

Could Terri be saved by a contest that she was psychologically imbalanced when she allegedly said she did not want to live on life support? Could this be challenged now to try to save her life?

Consider this:

Last night Geraldo Rivera on FOX News had a segment where he interviewed a woman who is a specialist who deals with bulimia. The reason was is that this is the condition that is being purported to be the cause of Terri’s heart stoppage. I offer these thoughts:

1. The original diagnosis for Terri's death was nutritional deficiency/bulimia.

2. Later Michael Schiavo won a lawsuit because the doctors mis-diagnosed her and did not recognize the bulimia problem.

3. Schiavo supporters and the media are continuing to offer this as the cause of her "collapse."

Ok...the question – and a possible way to get her a new court hearing, and stop this starvation/dehydration:

1. Bulimia is, basically, a psychological disorder. Bulimics have a very poor self-image; they feel they need to be perfect; many are never cured because the psychosis is so deep. They often die from this psychosis and the eating disorder it causes.

2. In that state of psychologically connected obsession, how could anyone's comment, about such a serious issue as life support could be considered rational?

3. Most medical professionals agree that those afflicted with this disorder are not mentally healthy, often are depressed, irrational.

4. How can any legal system support the desires of a woman who was, evidently, psychologically unbalanced at the time of the "supposed" comment?

If they are going to insist this as the cause, couldn’t it be insisted that the Court be forced to revisit this case, because the decision by Judge Greer did not consider her mental state?

God bless Terri. God bless you for your efforts.

Signature

32 posted on 03/28/2005 7:20:39 PM PST by CitizenM (An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. Pope John Paul II)
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To: CitizenM

Seriously, I think this is a good point. If she was in the throws of bulimia enough to get a heart attack then I would say her psychological status should be called into question.

This is so sad, that a statement that a naive 20 something year old may have said has come back to haunt her.


33 posted on 03/28/2005 7:27:09 PM PST by gnan4d
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To: sponge_worthy
Thanks for proving that she is in a vegetative state.

All the video I've seen depicts her responding to human interaction.

Do you have the video of her looking at the side of her bed and giggling and making noises in response to nothing and no one there?

She doesn't drool on herself. She swallows her saliva.

If her 'husband' doesn't want to deal with caring for her anymore, hand her over to mom & dad who are begging for the chance to care for their daughter.

34 posted on 03/28/2005 7:28:34 PM PST by Lester Moore (Islam's Allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: gnan4d

Thanks gnan4d. I just hope and hope someone of some clout feels the same and takes some immediate action. I wish I had thought of this point earlier. I am but a simple person, but I cannot understand why others, with far more knowledge of bulimea never thought of this. Pray that it helps just enough to stop this horror. Just pray. OMG this is unbearably sad.


35 posted on 03/28/2005 7:31:44 PM PST by CitizenM (An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. Pope John Paul II)
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To: TigersEye
Way to go, SLAP DOWN THAT TROLL!

That Video should have been shown 2 weeks ago on Fox News!

36 posted on 03/28/2005 7:33:55 PM PST by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
And don't for one second believe Jeb Bush when he says his "hands are tied" because they are NOT

You know you are right the satan bush clan with their skull and cross bone selfs are doing all this natzi murdering and their political party should be banned and run out of this rightful country! Lets Roll!

Jammer
37 posted on 03/28/2005 7:39:16 PM PST by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: All

11th Circuit Atlanta:WILSON, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
I strongly dissent from the majority’s decision to deny the request for an
injunction pursuant to the All Writs Act and the request for a preliminary
injunction. First, Plaintiffs have demonstrated their entitlement to a preliminary
injunction. Second, the denial of Plaintiffs’ request for an injunction frustrates
Congress’s intent, which is to maintain the status quo by keeping Theresa Schiavo
alive until the federal courts have a new and adequate opportunity to consider the
constitutional issues raised by Plaintiffs. The entire purpose for the statute was to
give the federal courts an opportunity to consider the merits of Plaintiffs’
constitutional claims with a fresh set of eyes. Denial of Plaintiffs’ petition cuts
sharply against that intent, which is evident to me from the language of the statute,
as well as the swift and unprecedented manner of its enactment. Theresa
Schiavo’s death, which is imminent, effectively ends the litigation without a fair
opportunity to fully consider the merits of Plaintiffs’ constitutional claims.
We should, at minimum, grant Plaintiffs’ All Writs Petition for emergency
injunctive relief. First, I note that there is no precedent that prohibits our granting
of this petition. Second, mindful of equitable principles, the extraordinary
circumstances presented by this appeal require that we grant the petition to
preserve federal jurisdiction and permit the opportunity to give Plaintiffs’ claims
the full and meaningful review they deserve.
In considering this extraordinary case, I am mindful that “[t]he essence of
In Bonner v. Prichard, 661 F.2d 1206, 1209 (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc), we adopted as 1
binding precedent the decisions of the former Fifth Circuit handed down prior to October 1, 1981.
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equity jurisdiction has been the power of the Chancellor to do equity and to mould
each decree to the necessities of the particular case. Flexibility rather than rigidity
has distinguished it. The qualities of mercy and practicality have made equity the
instrument for nice adjustment and reconciliation between the public interest and
private needs as well as between competing private claims.” Swann v. Charlotte-
Mecklenburg Bd. of Educ., 402 U.S. 1, 15 (1971) (citations omitted). Keeping
those principles firmly in mind, “mercy and practicality” compel us to grant the
relief requested.
I. All Writs Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1651
The All Writs Act provides: “The Supreme Court and all courts established
by Act of Congress may issue all writs necessary or appropriate in aid of their
respective jurisdictions and agreeable to the usages and principles of law.” 28
U.S.C. § 1651. Federal courts have “both the inherent power and the
constitutional obligation to protect their jurisdiction . . . to carry out Article III
functions.” Procup v. Strickland, 792 F.3d 1069, 1074 (11th Cir. 1986) (en banc)
(emphasis added). Toward that end, the All Writs Act permits federal courts to
protect their jurisdiction with regards to “not only ongoing proceedings, but
potential future proceedings.” Klay v. United Healthgroup, Inc., 376 F.3d 1092,
1099 (11th Cir. 2004) (internal citations omitted); ITT Comm. Devel. Corp. v.
Barton, 569 F.2d 1351, 1359 n.19 (5th Cir. 1978) (“When potential jurisdiction 1
exists, a federal court may issue status quo orders to ensure that once its


38 posted on 03/28/2005 8:13:15 PM PST by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: Norman Bates
What compounds the obscenity of this is that it's happening in America.

Yes, Norman. This is one of those instances when references are apropos rather than evidence that one has no real arguments. Jim Robinson created this place to help fight directions like this in our public life. We will lose Terri Schiavo, I fear, but we are still here. I'm going to find out what our state law is on this issue (I couldn't bring myself to do this yesterday. I needed yard work, brush clearing, bird watching, etc.)and see what fate may be out there for the inconvenient, and if something should be done.

39 posted on 03/29/2005 4:10:29 AM PST by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Bahbah

Thank you. Keep me updated on what you find out.


40 posted on 03/29/2005 5:46:12 PM PST by Norman Bates (Pray for Terri)
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