Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
(Excerpt) Read more at miami.com ...
And when the deed is done, I pray that the light will dawn, and conviction of this grave sin will weigh heavily on him, and on all who participated in this state sanctioned murder, as Peter's denial of Christ did on him when the cock crowed, lest their torment be more like that of Judas Iscariot. I do not wish eternal damnation on anyone, but repentance. It could be that God has a higher purpose for Terri, and that through her death, many will see what has been hidden, much as the Centurian who recognized the Son of God at the foot of the cross, and choose in that moment the life over which no earthly judge has authority. I continue to pray for a miracle, and I believe that a miracle will happen, whether Terri continues to live with us or goes to live with our Lord.
Tonight the darkness overcomes us and a nation grieves, but He will not leave us in our grief, and He will not abandon Terri. Death will be swallowed up in victory and He will raise us to new life in Him.
I remember the sermon of a preacher one time, preaching on the dark times in our lives. Throughout his sermon he repeated a line that seems especially appropriate:
"It's Friday; but Sunday's coming."
>>> Either we live in a nation of laws,ore we don't. You want a KING or a benevolent dictator, not a president. MOVE!<<<
Presently we don't, because we are only a nation of laws within the limits of Natural Law. This is one reason that the motto of many during the Revolution was, "We have no King, but King Jesus."
It wasn't that King Jesus was their King as in a God, but that King Jesus was the Philosopher king that would judge justly from truth (as opposed to judging solely from the law).
Socrates realized that a Democracy had issues, and therefore he suggest the Philosopher King to rule, he would rule based on truth and justice. Socrates was actually against the rule of law in the sense that Natural Law must reign first.
It is the same idea that the Founding Fathers had, by their idea that the King was violating Natural Law, therefore they had a right to resist.
Past that, the idea of a Republic to them was only a government that insured the rights of Natural Law. Hence, when Natural Law is violated, we have the right to violate the Rule of Law. It is that evil little part in the DOI that talks about "Altering and Abolishing".
first off I never ever get hysterical.......second off, I defy you to show me where I said I was on Michael's side, and in fact have said the opposite......but I"m also on the side of law and order.....it is you that is letting your emotion carry you away.......I'm speaking directly on what is occuring here in regards to some who would bash the Bush's or take the law into their own hands......speculating on my views on the case, which of course you are wrong, is basically "name calling" in a prettier package......neither of which persuades me to be influenced by you
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce [inalienable rights] under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-
Whatever, they backed off for a reason. Call it a BS piece if you want. They obviously felt there was reason.
We may just have to disagree. I believe prayer is much mightier than armies.
"This is going to be a SERIOUS problem unless people of good will step up and try to patch the fissures that have appeared over the Schiavo case."
I am afraid that no amount of good will can change the vast chasm of differences that exist between groups in the party; this current situation just brought it to a head. Social/religious conservatives came to the rescue of President Bush, et.al.(they voted FOR him not against Kerry) and expect to be rewarded for the effort with their agenda being realized. The old Goldwater republicans refuse to realize they are passe and have deluded themselves into thinking they still own the party.
The only thing I can see that could possible hold this strange confederation together is a renewed fear of a common enemy. However, that can only work a limited number of times. People of any stripe expect to get from an elected official what they voted them in for.
Take heart in one thing though. The Democratic party is an even more fractured jumble of self-interests groups.
"Scripture makes it very clear that the 'elect' are those called by God to His son Jesus Christ.
My point is that God does the calling. It is not mans decision away from God."
The elect is more specific that that, other words used 'chosen' set aside. Remember the whole world will be deceived except the 'elect'. What is the deception?
We are told to pray in the Heavenly Father's will be done NOT our own, and if you think for one minute that the Heavenly Father is not fully aware of what is taking place, then you need to have a time out.
THINK how in any of what you are saying or demanding is of God, 'if' HE is not in it you cannot make it of HIM!
>>>I believe that Judge Greer should be arrested for interference with law enforcement...
The problem with that, of course, is that he would have to be brought before a judge.<<<
Too bad, that Judge couldn't be an executioner too.
When you come to grips what you have signed on to, we can talk more. When it gets to the point that you can't even see that our courts are justifying things in the same way NAZI Germany's did, then your not on solid footing and it's pointless to discuss this with you.
Crystal Nacht was legal. Yes their courts were out of control, but so are ours. Transporting the Jews to death camps was legal. The German citizen accepted it. You are accepting this.
You and I agree this is murder. Despite this, you defend the courts and trash me for calling them on it.
Whew! You've got it bass ackwards bud.
Now you decide which is legal, which is moral, Fla law or the Declaration of Independence.
Uh, no, it isn't.
If this was going on in my backyard, in my state, I would be at the hospice.
Of course you would. [Rolling my eyes.]
Just as I thought. You want someone else to do the things you aren't prepared to do yourself.
Think about that.
Actually, I think a lot of moderate conservatives (yes, there are a few) are going to look at all this and draw the inevitable comparison of some people's rather rabid views to those of the Islamic fundamentalists who demand Sharia Law.
All in the name of some God.
I think you mean, "let."
If we see some suicides shortly after Terri dies, we will know that happened. However, these are people with calloused heart who have ushered patient after patient through the "starvation" door.
Talk is cheap. Go get yourself arrested there, sport. Oh that's right - you can't. It's too far away.
You guys are unreal.
Me too... sigh....
ok....so what would you say due process is???...doing everything you agree with and nothing that you don't...we have a legal system set up for good or bad and this is the way it works....we can change it but not ignore it
And apparently president and God as well...at least in his own wretched mind.
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