Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
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So murder is okay. Well that's all we wanted to know. Thanks. As long as a court says murder is okay, we should just go inside our homes and bolt the doors. Right?
Come on, you know better than that.
English courts probably ruled against the founding fathers. Soldiers were acting within the law when we revolted.
Good Lord man, think. Nazi German acted within the laws of it's courts. Don't see any problem with your logic? Seriously?
I reject your premise that it is ever legal to have court ordered starvation of a disabled person who has committed no crime. That is either murder or manslaughter.
haha......I already received a few posts alluding to Nuremburg or Germany......didn't take long for the disheartened here to start throwing that around......and remember when we got so upset at those signs....."Bush is Hitler"......hell at least some here should be more original than to steal from DU's playbook......
I'm hoping this is a joke?
If it is illegal (and I'll take your word for that at this point, for sake of discussion) to provide nourishment by mouth, then why have all the attempts to appeal this case been rejected?
It almost seems like this "rescue attempt" was purely for show. I wonder if the state agents were sent in but told to back down when confronted by the locals. Wink and nod.
Just what I was thinking. Was there anything on the night of the event. However, it is my understanding there was no glucose level done the night of her admission when the event occurred. Too bad about that if true.
haha.......you can pick us out in a crowd down here...we are the ones NOT carrying protest signs.....
Dang....thank you so much for giving me permission to believe what I want! How cool is that?
I may look foolish to you. Do I care? hmmm....nope.
>>>YOU ALL ARE SEVERELY LACKING IN A CIVICS LESSON ON "CONSTITUTIONALITY"!<<<<
Actually no. The Judiciary originally had no power and only the Executive Branch would at times grant them power. Basically, it was a pressure valve. If the Exec didn't like the decision, then he could refuse to honor it.
It wasn't until Mulberry v. Madison that this changed. All of a sudden the Judiciary had power, that was never intended or declared in the Constitution.
Proof that at times the Exec Branch can tell the Judiciary to go F- themselves is in Andrew Jackson's comment after being held in contempt, "They made their decision, let them enforce it."
Also, recently (50 years ago) John Wisdom tried to hold the Exec branch in contempt, but the Governor told him to kiss off. Nothing happened. Because the Exec Branch and all its sub-departments are free from Judicial rule if they choose to ignore it.
http://www.nationalist.org/alt/1999/may/courts.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/24/143541.shtml?j=892887&e=timburton@cox.net">http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/24/143541.shtml?j=892887&e=timburton@cox.net&l=143149_HTML&u=16814732
I'm sorry - I meant to say, "If it is illegal to refuse to provide nourishment by mouth..."
Are we all heathens?
These are all our elected Judges and elected Law enforcement officers...not Governor appointed agents of the State. They have been slandered as all who live here have been slandered by inference. The police live here too. They are being kind to the tourists as they always are. If the good ole boys here were pissed they'd be worried. But they're not worried...They're good ole boys too...They have the manpower to enforce the Judges order...And they would have been backed up by the community...We're not big fans of Tallahassee messing in our local affairs...much less Washington.
You don't like us fine. Stay away...you snarl traffic every Winter and the rudeness many of you show here seems to be a by product of living N of the Mason Dixon line. You can bring your money...leave your politics at home. We are tired of self righteous liars. Randal needs to get out of here before we ride him out. He has used a personal family tragedy to further some political agenda that has nothing to do with this case no matter how he tries to twist it to fit. The people pushing this with their threats against our elected officials and vile language to our local GOP have engendered nothing but disgust locally and may have caused irreparable damage to a Governor who has a big heart but has shown himself a dupe in the eyes of people who have lived with this story as ongoing local news for years. Jebb should have checked with the people who live here and elected him instead of succumbing to an organized mass e-mail campaign organized by people from out of State.
DU will be reporting lots of phone calls from FReepers asking if they can have their old Bush is Hitler signs.
"You are correct if he took her he would have to forgo his career. He would have to take a position and stand up for it. But in the end Terri would die - because that is what the powers that be want. But where is the DOJ - why are they not investigating this?"
I know Jeb is looking for a way to take her legally as he has all his staff frantically looking to find some way to do that - but time is running out.
And I have no idea about the DOJ.
No joke. Overwhelming force.
That would give a sense of satisfaction to a lot of people here. It would also confirm in a lot of swing voter minds the suspicions that the Schiavo case has already raised: That the Republican party has been taken over by the Religious Right.
The GOP coalition is self-destructing before my eyes. Another thread talks about the Democrats keeping a low profile on all this. Well it's not because they're scared, as somebody on that thread claimed. It's because they know it's smart not to take the spotlight off the circular firing squad taking place among the Republicans.
This is going to be a SERIOUS problem unless people of good will step up and try to patch the fissures that have appeared over the Schiavo case.
"Stupid Party" indeed. Karl Rove couldn't have dreamed this up in his worst nightmare.
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