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Police 'Showdown' Averted ['Team of State Agents Were En Route to Seize Terri']
Miami Herald ^ | Sat, Mar. 26, 2005 | CAROL MARBIN MILLER

Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.

Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.

For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''

In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.

''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.

''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''

The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.

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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

You don't anymore. All you have to do in NY is say you are a junkie and you get free, clean syringes.


1,461 posted on 03/26/2005 3:46:25 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: saab_viggen

For that matter, the US Attorney General could rescue Terri, after all she is under Supoena. Who will save Terri? I,m waiting...


1,462 posted on 03/26/2005 3:46:37 PM PST by marquis7772
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To: L.N. Smithee
I think you're arguing with someone else's point. My point concerned the THREAT TO THE CHILDREN at the demonstration. The Pinellas Park cops are carrying guns in a situation that simply does not call for guns.

I am waiting on some Liberals to tell us that flooding the streets with guns inevitably results in death and destruction.

That's not happening!

No doubt somebody's reading this thread because the Pinellas cops just told the "newsies" a short while ago that "the crowd may surge into the hospice and kidnap Terri".

I suppose they think that's a justification for the guns ~ that is, the threat that they will shoot the crowd.

Now, back to your point ~ exactly which court order is it that the Pinellas Park police have been directed to enforce? At the moment I think the only guy with a court order is the sheriff, and the Pinellas Park police are doing this at the request only of the manager of the hospice.

Given that it's a building with "public access" seems to me the defense of the facility is one that would ordinarily be mounted only to the point of barring the door, not the infliction of lethal force.

1,463 posted on 03/26/2005 3:52:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: billbears
"The care of human life and happiness, not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government." -President Thomas Jefferson
1,465 posted on 03/26/2005 3:59:16 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: saab_viggen
Faubus should have made a stand back in 1957. There was only a brigade of airborne troops involved, not an entire division. If Faubus ordered his National Guard to stand up to this brigade, the brigade would have been overwhelmed; it would have been a defeat for the US Army not seen since the fall of the Philippines, and the biggest defeat on US soil since 2nd Bull Run. Sure troops from other state would have been called in, but every male Arkansan with a firearm (i.e. nearly every male white Arkansan) would have joined in the struggle, along with thousands of other men (many veterans of WW2 and Korea) pouring into the state to give support. Eisenhower would not have wanted a bloodbath on US soil (what a propaganda victory for Kruschev it would have been) and would have come to terms with Faubus.

Do me a favor, wouldya, oakwood -- I mean "saab_viggen" -- click on my screen name, and read the first line. Then hit the back button.

Ladies and gentlemen of the internet, it is frequently asked why Jim Robinson bans members from Free Republic. The above-referenced post (read it while you still can!) is why. He doesn't like it when people who are so maddog backwards that they suggest that Orval Faubus was right in banning black children from public schools, and should have engaged the 101st Airborne with a militia of knuckle-dragging racists. Had Ike backed down to a defiant Faubus (it is to laugh -- he beat the Nazis but would lose to a jerk like him?) Khrushchev's propaganda victory would have been crowing that communist revolution would be the only way of providing equality for American blacks.

I could speak my mind at this point about the sub-excrement who posted that reply, but I don't have time to say all I want to.

Admin Moderator? Hi, I'd like a large ZOT! to go.

1,466 posted on 03/26/2005 4:05:06 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (To some people, Terri Schiavo is a deformed fetus in the 120th trimester)
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To: saab_viggen

"Faubus should have made a stand back in 1957. There was only a brigade of airborne troops involved, not an entire division. If Faubus ordered his National Guard to stand up to this brigade, the brigade would have been overwhelmed"

Respectfully...I think a squad of the 101st would have routed the entire Arkansas National guard.


1,467 posted on 03/26/2005 4:09:59 PM PST by TET1968
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To: sweetliberty

LOL


1,469 posted on 03/26/2005 4:14:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: CyberAnt

Thanks for the comments. The parallel IMO was that the police didn't protect Elian from being taken into protective custody. Now when it's life and death, they're right there to help facilitate murder. That's very problematic IMO.


1,470 posted on 03/26/2005 4:16:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: muawiyah
I think you're arguing with someone else's point. My point concerned the THREAT TO THE CHILDREN at the demonstration. The Pinellas Park cops are carrying guns in a situation that simply does not call for guns.

That's nonsense. As much as I don't believe that the crowd peacefully protesting this situation is a threat to anyone, any large crowd in opposition to a situation as highly charged as this one requires police presence. Whenever the number of people in a crowd have the ability to overwhelm the peace officers guarding them, weapons MUST be at the ready. It only takes one nut to ruin everything, and according to some reports, some have gone overboard in their support of saving Terri's life.

1,473 posted on 03/26/2005 4:18:34 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (To some people, Terri Schiavo is a deformed fetus in the 120th trimester)
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To: sweetliberty

Well, I can agree with part of what you said. I would imagine that DCS could pick up children and launch an investigation that might take months or longer, never telling the parents where the children were.

Is it right for the children to be kidnapped, then cut off from parents for months? Sorry, I do not agree with that. Visitation at a neutral location could be facilitated.

I've read some real horror stories on this subject.


1,474 posted on 03/26/2005 4:20:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: areafiftyone

Yeah. It's all Bush's fault. He didn't do anything. If he'd have wanted to, he could've had a scientist invent a time machine, and then he could've had a SWAT team storm the building, put Terry in it, and send her forward into the future, where they can cure this sort of thing. (Sarcasm off)


1,475 posted on 03/26/2005 4:22:13 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: saab_viggen

Agreed.


1,476 posted on 03/26/2005 4:26:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: L.N. Smithee; Admin Moderator

I wasn't comfortable with the Faubus argument either. We are talking about a woman's right to life--not a knuckle dragging governor's right to deny a kid the right to go to school.

And it's funny--oakwood also used slashes instead of apostrophes.


1,477 posted on 03/26/2005 4:32:52 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: acapesket

WHERE DOES IT SAY IN ANY U.S. CONSTITUTION DOCUMENT THAT IT IS LEGAL FOR A JUDGE TO ORDER THE MURDER OF A KNOWN INNOCENT PERSON?


1,478 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:40 PM PST by GOPologist
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To: L.N. Smithee

Well, my friend, let's say goodbye to oakwood saab whatever.


1,479 posted on 03/26/2005 4:35:10 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Jeb Bush Is A Wimp. This is no time to pull punches. Hello, there is someones life at stake.


1,480 posted on 03/26/2005 4:37:21 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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