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NRA Leader Advocates Guns for Teachers
AP ^ | 3/25/05 | Arthur H. Rotstein

Posted on 03/25/2005 4:32:35 PM PST by Crackingham

All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives -- including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday.

"I'm not saying that that means every teacher should have a gun or not, but what I am saying is we need to look at all the options at what will truly protect the students," the NRA's first vice president, Sandra S. Froman, told The Associated Press.

Gun-control restrictions would not have prevented Jeff Weise, 16, from killing nine people and himself Monday at Red Lake High School near Bemidji, Minn., said Froman, an attorney expected next month to be elected president of the NRA, which claims 4 million members.

The presence of an unarmed guard at the school failed to stop the siege, she noted.

"No gun law, no policy that you could implement now or that was already implemented, I think, could possibly prevent someone so intent on destruction," she said. "I think everything's on the table as far as looking at what we need to do to make our schools safe for our students."

Froman said if it is the responsibility of teachers to protect students in a school, "then we as a society, we as a community have to provide a way for the teachers to do that."

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To: Crackingham

81 posted on 03/25/2005 6:49:40 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: G32

If teachers want to have guns, then students should be able to carry one as well. I would hate to piss off any teacher in class who is packing heat.


82 posted on 03/25/2005 6:50:13 PM PST by econ_grad
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To: ExSoldier
What's that mean?

Apparently the account has been destroyed by forum management. I wasn't around to read the posts past, oh, 22 or so, so I don't know what happened. Apparently someone pulled the sign-up date and it was today, associated that with the contrarian opinion smyrna1967 posted, and...zot! I don't know if his/her/its posts after #22 got uncivil, but that's a surefire way to get oneself kicked off from what I've seen.

Personally I prefer to have civil discussions with disagreement. It's boring if everyone agrees and the only question is whether to issue all teachers M-4s or MP-5s.

83 posted on 03/25/2005 6:54:58 PM PST by Kretek
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To: G32
That's not true; I personally know several shooters and CPL holders who were formerly quite the gun grabbers.

It takes patience and tact, sure, but firearms rights weren't taken away in a day and they aren't going to come back in a day either.

Alienating people who disagree is a surefire way to not develop any more support... And it may become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

84 posted on 03/25/2005 7:02:30 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Tarantulas
We arm pilots, why not school teachers? Maybe that's the argument we should make. The pilots were the foot in the door. Now that they're working out just fine, we should expand that protection to other areas.

Well, exactly. The FFDO program, as flawed as it may be, is a model for protection in other areas.

85 posted on 03/25/2005 7:07:50 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Fido969
Students are already beating up teachers in school. The last thing we need is them beating up teachers and stealing their guns.

If they were armed not as many would be getting beaten up, or don't you comprehend the term armed? Your statement is just a variation on the old worn out premise that you are "safer without a gun", or "it will just be taken away from you and used against you". Neither of these statements are true and yours isn't either.

86 posted on 03/25/2005 7:14:25 PM PST by calex59
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To: Crackingham

That's going a bit too far, however, armed security guards should definitely be going around schools, and they should have guns...


87 posted on 03/25/2005 7:15:08 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

That the job of the "community resource officer". As grim as it sounds, the job of the cop who hangs around the local high school is to kill any kid who starts shooting.




88 posted on 03/25/2005 7:40:06 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Kretek
It's boring if everyone agrees and the only question is whether to issue all teachers M-4s or MP-5s.

I vote MP-5's (suppressed) with five spare mags each. Collapsible stock. 1.5x ACOG sights, with tritium reticles.

89 posted on 03/25/2005 8:10:55 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
They do have that UMP45 now, but I don't know whether or not it has a good record and all the bugs worked out.

I vote MP-5's (suppressed) with five spare mags each. Collapsible stock. 1.5x ACOG sights, with tritium reticles.

Suppression is important - especially for the ones assigned to the library. :-) The tritium can be used as a teaching aid in physics class...

90 posted on 03/25/2005 8:13:18 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Crackingham

If I were a teacher in the public indoctrination gulags I'd carry and nobody would know.


91 posted on 03/25/2005 8:16:24 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
confronted by the unarmed security monitor. He was street wise and pulled off a his roper boots and using them as a club he beat the guy black and blue until the authorities pulled him off the guy.

Our security monitors are also unarmed and also extremely street-wise. But being the inner city school that we are, we also have several armed police officers on campus at any given moment. Usually they are serving warrants and making arrests, but they also cruise through to make sure everything is cool. I'd say a fair percentage of our student body has a record of one sort or another....Many are on probation. That's one reason they don't mess with me. I used to be a Probation & Parole Officer.

92 posted on 03/25/2005 8:16:38 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Kretek
Don't be silly, the subject is teachers.

Is your argument so weak that you need to twist my words into a lie in order to win?

93 posted on 03/25/2005 8:18:03 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: durasell

If your stupidity was an airstrip, an AC-130 could land on it.


94 posted on 03/25/2005 8:24:13 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: Crackingham

Arm everyone, now it will be and awfully bloody first week or two but it should calm down after that.


95 posted on 03/25/2005 8:24:28 PM PST by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Nooo. You wrote, in response to someone who had posted "Not everyone should have access to guns," the following. "The Founding Fathers disagree with you."

That is a demonstrably false statement - many people, in America at the time of its founding, were not permitted access to guns.

The only silliness here is yours - the silliness that thinks everyone who's drawing breath should be permitted arms. Why don't you write letters of outrage to your state's department of corrections about their inmates not having arms? Complain about the unlawful combatants at Gitmo not being issued their AKs.

96 posted on 03/25/2005 8:28:42 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Kretek
Ah yes, the technicalist. It's your kind that are starving Terri to death, all the while hiding behind the fact that every T has been crossed, and every i dotted.

Your posts have studiously avoided the spirit of the conversation, just as all the judges starving Terri have studiously avoided the spirit of the law.

If that's how you want to claim victory, be my guest.

97 posted on 03/25/2005 8:41:48 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Crackingham

It only makes sense.


98 posted on 03/25/2005 8:42:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: Crackingham

This sign is posted at my kids elementary school..when I pick them up I always stop by and kiss this sign..for this sign is the single most important reason my children have no exposure to illegal gunfire..for no murderer would want to violate this edict..all killers respect the law..even killer greer in florida..(sorry..had to throw that in)..

99 posted on 03/25/2005 8:53:21 PM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: ExSoldier

And your proposal is?


100 posted on 03/25/2005 10:29:12 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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