Posted on 03/24/2005 9:09:56 AM PST by davidosborne
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I think we are seeing the separation of the wheat from the chaft....
Ronald McDonald is fictional. And this is not a case of an 'honest mistake.' Try coming up with some better analogies. This is a case of corruption and bilking of vulnerable adults until they are no longer useful for that purpose.
Subject: Probable Cause
To: jeb.bush@myflorida.com
Dear Governor Bush:
One way or another, further investigation will show that Michael Schiavo should be investigated for attempted murder, based upon medical and police records during Terri's "collapse," plus nurses' testimony, plus the evidence one nurse presented (empty vial of insulin in trash basket).
Florida must act summarily, to secure Terri as potential victim, as bodily evidence, and as potential witness.
That is what the Executive Branch of the State of Florida can and must now do.
Better now, than the shame later.
What is Rush's take on this.??
Governor Bush has acted, again and again and again. If not for his involvement Terri Schiavo would have died in October 2003. Her death is on the hands of her husband and Judge Greer, not Jeb Bush.
http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm
September 17, 2003
Judge Greer orders the removal of the PEG tube to take place on October 15, 2003. He also rejects the Schindlers request that Terri Schiavo be given therapy to learn how to eat without the tube.
9-17-03 Court Order
October 7, 2003
Governor Jeb Bush files a federal court brief in support of the Schindlers effort to stop the removal of the PEG tube.
October 10, 2003
Federal Court Judge Richard Lazzara rules that he lacks the jurisdiction to hear the federal case.
October 14, 2003
The 2nd DCA refuses to block Judge Greers order to remove the PEG tube.
October 15, 2003
Terri Schiavos PEG tube is once again removed.
October 17, 2003
The Florida Circuit Court in Pinellas County and the First District Court of Appeal refuse to grant a request made by the supporters of the Schindlers to direct Governor Jeb Bush to intervene in the Schiavo case.
October 19, 2003
The Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, Inc. files a federal court lawsuit that claims that the removal of Terri Schiavos PEG tube is abuse and neglect.
Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, Inc. v. Schiavo, No. 8:03-CV-2167-T-23EAJ
October 20, 2003
The Florida House of Representatives passes a bill, Terris Law, that allows the governor to issue a one-time stay in certain cases.
HouseBill35-E.pdf
October 21, 2003
The Florida Senate passes the bill; Governor Bush issues an executive order directing reinsertion of the PEG tube and appointing a guardian ad litem for Terri Schiavo.
Schiavo Controversy Fla_ Gov_ Exec_ Order No_ 03-201.htm
Statements by some House members
October 21, 2003
Michael Schiavo files a state-court lawsuit arguing that Terris Law is unconstitutional and seeking an injunction to stop the reinsertion of the PEG tube; the court requests briefs on the Constitutional arguments about Terris Law.
10-21-03 Schiavo Injunction
Amicus Brief from House Speaker Byrd (B)
Schiavo v. Bush. No. 03-008212-CI-20 (Cir. Ct. Pinellas County, Florida).
October 21, 2003
The federal court denies the motion for a temporary restraining order filed in the lawsuit of the Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, Inc.
Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, Inc. v. Schiavo, 2003 WL 23305833, 17 Fla. L. Weekly Fed. D 291 (M.D. Fla. Oct. 21, 2003).
10-21-03 US District Court Order
October 21, 2003
Terri Schiavos PEG tube is reinserted.
October 22 2003
David Demeres, Chief Judge for the Pinellas County Circuit Court, orders both the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo to agree within 5 days on an independent guardian ad litem as required under the Governors order. (Terris Law directs: Upon issuance of the stay, the chief judge of the circuit court shall appoint a guardian ad litem for the patient to make recommendations to the Governor and the court.)
Schiavo's Response
Schindlers' Response
October 28, 2003
President George W. Bush praises the way his brother, Governor Jeb Bush, has handled the Schiavo matter.
Transcript of Rose Garden Press Conference
October 29, 2003
Michael Schiavo files court papers in his state-court lawsuit, arguing that Terris Law is unconstitutional. The American Civil Liberties Union has joined Michael Schiavo.
Michael Schiavo petitioner brief
October 31, 2003
Judge Demers appoints Dr. Jay Wolfson as Terri Schiavos guardian ad litem. Dr. Wolfson holds both medical and legal degrees; he is also a public health professor at the University of South Florida. He is supposed to represent Terri Schiavos best interest in court, but he has no authority to make decisions for her.
10-31-03 GAL Appointment
November 4, 2003
Governor Jeb Bush asks Circuit Court Judge W. Douglas Baird to dismiss Michael Schiavos suit (filed October 21, 2003) that challenges Terris Law.
November 8, 2003
Judge Baird denies Governor Bushs motion to dismiss the state-court suit.
November 10, 2003
Governor Bush appeals Judge Bairds decision; the filing of the appeal has the effect of staying the removal of Terri Schiavos PEG tube.
November 14, 2003
Judge Baird vacates the stay.
11-14-03 Order vacating stay.
November 14, 2003
In response to Judge Bairds lifting the stay, the 2nd DCA issues an indefinite stay.
November 19, 2003
Governor Bush files a petition to remove Judge Baird.
11-19-03 Petition
November 21, 2003
Florida Sens. Stephen Wise and Jim Sebesta introduce legislation (S692) that would require persons in persistent vegetative states to be administered medically supplied nutrition and hydration in the absence of a living will, regardless of family beliefs about what those patients would have wanted. The measure is withdrawn from consideration on April 16, 2004.
Bill to require sustenence when no living will exists
December 1, 2003
Jay Wolfson, guardian ad litem, concludes in his report that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no chance of improvement.
Wolfson's Report
Governor Bush's response to Wolfson's report
December 10, 2003
The 2nd DCA refuses to remove Judge Baird, who is the presiding judge in the state-court lawsuit filed October 21, 2003.
Bush v. Schiavo, 861 So. 2d 506 (2nd DCA 2003) (No. 2D03-5244)
12-10-03 Court Opinion
January 5, 2004
The Schindler family petitions the Pinellas County Circuit Court to reappoint Jay Wolfson, the guardian ad litem.
1-05-04 Schindlers petition to reappoint GAL
January 8, 2004
Judge Demers rejects the request to reappoint the guardian ad litem, citing the pending court decisions over the constitutionality of Terris Law as reason to wait on any action.
1-08-04 Order denying reinstatement of GAL
February 13, 2004
The 2nd DCA reverses Judge Bairds ruling (in the case filed October 21, 2003) that denied the Schindlers permission to intervene in Michael Schiavos Constitutional challenge to Terris Law. The 2nd DCA explains that Judge Baird did not follow proper procedure. The court also gives permission to Governor Bush to question several witnesses who Judge Baird previously had ruled could not offer any relevant testimony.
Bush v. Schiavo, 866 So. 2d 140 (Fla. 2nd DCA 2004) (on intervention); 866 So. 2d 136 (2nd DCA 2004) (on request to take depositions). (Case No. 2D03-5783).
bushschiavo2 13 04 opn.pdf
2-13-04 Opinion allowing parents to intervene
March 12, 2004
Judge Baird again rejects the Schindlers request to intervene in Michael Schiavos suit that questions the constitutionality of Terris Law.
March 20, 2004
Pope John Paul II addresses World Federation of Catholic Medical Associations and Pontifical Academy for Life Congress on "Life-Sustaining Treatments and Vegetative State: Scientific Advances and Ethical Dilemmas." His remarks spark widespread interest and controversy.
Pope's address
March 29, 2004
Nursing home workers discover 4 fresh puncture wounds on one arm and a fifth wound on the other arm; the workers state that a hypodermic needle appears to have caused the wounds. Attendants discovered the wounds shortly after the Schindlers visited Terri Schiavo for 45 minutes. Toxicology reports indicate that no substance was injected into Terri Schiavo. Clearwater police later conclude that the marks might have been made by a device used to move Ms. Schiavo and, in any case, that no evidence of abuse or other wrongdoing could be found.
St. Petersburg Times report (May 15, 2004)
March 29, 2004
Judge Greer denies a motion filed by the Schindlers seeking to have Michael Schiavo defend himself in a hearing; they allege that he is violating a 1996 court order that requires him to share a sufficient amount of Terri Schiavos medical information. Michael Schiavo claims that he has shared an adequate amount of information through attorneys.
April 16, 2004
S692 is withdrawn from consideration in the Florida Legislature.
S692 History
April 23, 2004
The 2nd DCA rules that the Pinellas County trial court has jurisdiction to hear and is the proper venue for the case Michael Schiavo has filed against Governor Bush asserting that "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional.
2nd DCA Jurisdictional ruling
May 6, 2004
Pinellas Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird rules that "Terri's Law," sought and signed by Gov. Bush and approved by the Legislature on October 21, 2003, is unconstitutional. The governor appeals the ruling.
Judge Baird's order
June 1, 2004
The 2nd DCA grants a motion from attorneys for Michael Schiavo to send the case directly to the Florida
Supreme Court and bypass a lower-court review. Meanwhile, attorneys for Gov. Bush file a motion asking that all appeals be halted until the issue of whether Michael Schiavo has the authority to fight the governor on his wife's behalf is resolved.
Tallahassee Democrat report
June 16, 2004
Florida's Supreme Court, pointing to "a question of great public importance requiring immediate resolution by this Court," accepts jurisdiction and sets oral arguments for August 31, 2004.
Florida Supreme Court order
June 30, 2004
2nd DCA affirms Judge Baird's March 12 ruling denying the Schindlers the ability to intervene in the lawsuit over the constitutionality of "Terri's Law."
July 19, 2004
The Schindlers file a motion in the Circuit Court for Pinellas County seeking relief from judgment in Schindler v. Schiavo. Based in part upon the recent statement by Pope John Paul II, they argue that the orders mandating withdrawal of the PEG tube from Terri and authorizing Michael to challenge the constitutionality of "Terri's Law" violate her "free exercise of her religious beliefs [and] her right to enjoy and defend her own life and, in fact, imperil her immortal soul."
Relief from judgment motion
Appendix to motion (seven exhibits)
July 27, 2004
National group of bioethicists files amicus brief "in support of Michael Schiavo as guardian of the person."
Bioethicists' amicus brief
August 31, 2004
The Florida Supreme Court hears oral arguments in the lawsuit over the
constitutionality of "Terri's Law."
Streaming video of the proceedings, archived by WFSU at Florida State University
Transcript
St. Petersburg Times report
August 31, 2004
Circuit Judge George Greer, opposed for re-election by an attorney who was known to oppose Greer's rulings in the Schiavo case, is re-elected by a large margin.
St. Petersburg Times report
September 23, 2004
Florida's Supreme Court, unanimously affirming the trial court order, declares "Terri's Law" unconstitutional.
Supreme Court ruling
October 4, 2004
Governor Bush files a motion and then an amended motion for rehearing and clarification of the Florida Supreme Court opinion issued on September 23, 2004
Amended motion for rehearing and clarification
October 21, 2004
Florida Supreme Court denies Governor Bush's amended motion for rehearing and clarification, as well as a motion seeking permission to file a second amended motion for rehearing and clarification. The Court issues a mandate.
Order
October 22, 2004
In Pinellas County, at the trial-court level, Judge Greer denies the motion filed by the Schindlers on July 19, 2004. He also stays the removal of her PEG tube until December 6, 2004.
Order Denying Motion
Order Granting Stay
October 25, 2004
Governor Bush files a motion with the Florida Supreme Court asking that it recall the mandate it issued on October 22 because he will be filing a petition for certiorari regarding this case with the United States Supreme Court.
Motion to Recall Mandate
Appendix to Motion
October 27, 2004
Florida Supreme Court grants Governor Bush's motion asking that it recall the mandate issued on October 22. Proceedings in the trial and all appellate courts in the case of Bush v. Schiavo are stayed until November 29, 2004.
Order Recalling Mandate
November 22, 2004
In the guardianship proceeding in Pinellas County, the Schindlers appeal from Judge Greers October 22 order denying their motion for relief from judgment.
Brief Seeking Review
December 3, 2004
Governor Bush files a petition for certiorari, seeking review of the Florida Supreme Courts decision regarding Terris law, with the U.S. Supreme Court.
U.S. Supreme Court Docket
Petition for Writ of Certiorari
December 29, 2004
2nd DCA, without opinion, denies the Schindlers' November 22 appeal from Judge Greer's order refusing to reopen the guardianship proceeding.
January 10, 2005
The Schindlers again ask Judge Greer to remove Michael Schiavo from his judicial appointed post of Terris guardian.
January 13, 2005
The Schindlers file two motions one in the 2d DCA, asking it to reconsider its decision of December 29, 2004, and a second in the trial court guardianship proceeding, asking Judge Greer once again to prevent withdrawal of nutrition and hydration until the 2d DCA does so.
January 24, 2005
The United States Supreme Court refused to grant review of the case in which the Florida Supreme Court struck down Terris Law as unconstitutional.
February 7, 2005
Florida's Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services cites the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation for failing to register with the state to solicit donations.
February 11, 2005
In Pinellas County, Judge Greer denies the Schindlers' motions, filed January 10 and 13, 2005. The order authorizing withdrawal of the PEG tube remains in effect, although implementation is stayed pending the outcome of currently pending appeals.
February 15, 2005
The Schindlers ask the 2nd DCA to stay the mandate issued when it refused to hear their most recent appeal.
February 16, 2005
Randall Terry, founder of the pro-life activist organization Operation Rescue, appears with the Schindlers at a news conference, vowing protest vigils against removal of the PEG tube.
February 18, 2005
The Schindlers again petition Judge Greer in Pinellas County for reconsideration of the order of February 11, 2005, in which the court upheld its judgment, made in the year 2000, that the PEG tube should be removed.
February 18, 2005
Florida Representatives Baxley Brown; Cannon; Davis, D.; Flores; Goldstein; Lopez-Cantera; Murzin; Quinones; Traviesa introduced H 701 in the Florida Legislature. H 701, mirroring S. 692 (introduced in October 2003 and withdrawn in April 2004), would require maintenance of medically supplied nutrition and hydration in incapacitated persons in most instances.
H.701
February 21, 2005
The 2d DCA denies the Schindlers motion of February 15, 2005, clearing the way for removal of the PEG tube when the current stay expires on February 22, 2005. Judge Greer schedules a hearing on the Schindlers motion of February 18, 2005, for February 23, 2005.
February 22, 2005
Judge Greer stays removal of the PEG tube until 5 p.m. on February 23, 2005 (after he hears argument on the motion filed by the Schindlers on February 18, 2005).
February 23, 2005
After a hearing, Judge Greer extends the stay preventing removal of the PEG tube until 5 p.m. on February 25, 2005, to permit time to issue an order detailing his decisions regarding matters discussed at the hearing. Officials from Floridas Department of Children and Families (DCF) move to intervene in the case, but Judge Greer denies the motion to intervene at the hearing.
DCF Motion to Intervene
February 25, 2005
Judge Greer denies the motion before him and orders that, absent a stay from the appellate courts, the guardian, Michael Schiavo, shall cause the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward, Theresa Schiavo, at 1 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005.
Order Denying Stay
February 26, 2005
The St. Petersburg Times reports that a Vatican cardinal spoke on Vatican Radio opposing removal of the PEG tube.
St. Petersburg Times article
February 28, 2005
The Schindlers file a number of motions with Judge Greer, addressing a range of issues. They also indicate that they will appeal the judge's decision of February 25, 2005. Judge Greer denies some of the motions but agreed to set a hearing date to consider others.
St. Petersburg Times article
March 7, 2005
The Schindlers appeal Judge Greer's February 25, 2005 order to the 2nd DCA.
Bioethicists from six Florida universities submit an analysis of H701.
Bioethicists' analysis
March 8, 2005
U.S. Rep. David Weldon (R.-Fla.) introduces in the United States House of Representatives H.R. 1151, titled the Incapactitated Persons' Legal Protection Act. The bill would permit a federal court to review the Schiavo matter through a habeas corpus lawsuit.
H.R. 1151
March 9, 2005
The Florida House Health Care Regulation Committee considers H.701, voting to approve a Council/Committee Substitute 701 instead of the original version.
Council/Committee Substitute 701
March 10, 2005
Judge Greer issues order denying Florida's Department of Children and Families the right to intervene in the guardianship case.
March 14, 2005
The Judiciary Committee in the Florida House considers H.701, voting to approve another Committee substitute for the original bill. The Sun-Sentinel reports that the House and the Senate have agreed that this bill will come to a vote.
Second Committee Substitute 701
March 15, 2005
The Florida House Health & Families Council considers and approves the second committee substitute H.701.
The Florida Senate Judiciary Committee passes S.804, providing that medically supplied nutrition and hydration cannot be suspended from a person in a PVS if: (1) the purpose of the suspension is solely to end the life of a person in a PVS; (2) a conflict exists on the issue of suspension of medically supplied nutrition and hydration among the persons who could be proxy decisionmakers for that person under Florida law; and (3) the person in the PVS had not executed a written advance directive or designated a health care surrogate.
Senate Bill 804
March 16, 2005
The 2d DCA affirms Judge Greers orders and refuses to stay the scheduled March 18 withdrawal of the PEG tube.
2d DCA Opinion
The U.S. House of Representatives, by voice vote, passes H.R. 1332, the Protection of Incapacitated Persons Act of 2005. This bill would amend federal law to provide for removal of certain cases to federal court from state court, rather than authorizing use of the federal habeas corpus remedy to obtain federal court review, as H.R. 1151 would have.
H.R. 1332
March 17, 2005
The Florida House of Representatives approves H.701, after some amendments.
House-Engrossed H.701
The Florida Senate votes down S.804.
History of S.804
Floridas Department of Children and Families (DCF) petitions the Florida Supreme Court for relief, and the Florida Supreme Court denies the petition.
DCF All Writs Petition
Florida Supreme Court order
The U.S. Senate passes a private bill applying to the Schiavo case but differing from H.R. 1332. The U.S. Senate website, at www.senate.gov, explains a private bill as follows: A private bill provides benefits to specified individuals (including corporate bodies). Individuals sometimes request relief through private legislation when administrative or legal remedies are exhausted. Many private bills deal with immigrationgranting citizenship or permanent residency. Private bills may also be introduced for individuals who have claims again the government, veterans benefits claims, claims for military decorations, or taxation problems. The title of a private bill usually begins with the phrase, "For the relief of. . . ." If a private bill is passed in identical form by both houses of Congress and is signed by the President, it becomes a private law.
U.S. Senate Bill 653 ES
Orlando Sentinel article
The Schindlers ask the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case, but the U.S. Supreme Court denies their petition.
Schindlers Petition to U.S. Supreme Court
U.S. Supreme Court Denial
March 18, 2005
The U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform issues five subpoenas: one commanding Michael Schiavo to appear before it and bring with him the hydration and nutrition equipment in working order; three commanding physicians and other personnel at the hospice to do the same; and one commanding Terri Schiavo to appear before it. The subpoenas would require that the PEG tube remain in working order until at least the date of testimony, March 25, 2005. The subpoenas are included as appendices to the U.S. House All Writs Petition (see just below).
The Committee on Government Reform also moves to intervene in the guardianship litigation before Judge Greer and asks Judge Greer to stay his order requiring removal of the PEG tube. Judge Greer denies the motions.
U.S. House Motion to Intervene
U.S. House Motion for Stay
The Committee on Government Reform files an emergency all-writs petition with the Florida Supreme Court, effectively seeking reversal of Judge Greers denial of its motions. The Florida Supreme Court denies this petition.
U.S. House All Writs Petition
The House Committee on Government Reform asks the U.S. Supreme Court to review the Florida Supreme Courts denial of its petition. Justice Kennedy, acting for the Court, denies the application for relief.
U.S. Supreme Court Docket, Case No. SC05-449
The PEG tube is removed in mid-afternoon. This is the third time the tube has been removed in accordance with court orders.
The Schindlers, as next friends of their daughter, file a petition for writ of habeas corpus in federal district court in the Middle District of Florida. That court dismisses the case for lack of jurisdiction and refuses to issue a temporary restraining order because there is not a substantial likelihood that [the Schindlers] will prevail on their federal constitutional claims.
Schindlers' Habeas Corpus Petition
U.S. House Speaker Tom DeLay and other Republican House members discuss the Schiavo case.
DeLay on Schiavo via C-Span
March 19-20, 2005
The U.S. Senate delays its Easter recess and works on Saturday to reach a compromise with the House on a bill, S.686, closely resembling the special bill it passed on March 17. On Palm Sunday (which holiday is frequently noted in debate), it then passes S.686 and the U.S. House of Representatives returns from Easter recess for a special session to debate S.686.
U.S. Senate Compromise Bill S.686
March 20, 2005
House Republicans hold news conference.
Video via C-Span
House Democrats hold news conference.
Video via C-Span
March 21, 2005
Shortly past 12:30 a.m., the U.S. House of Representatives votes 203-58 to suspend its rules and pass S.686.
Congressional Debate on S.686
Roll call vote on S.686
President Bush signs S.686 at 1:11 a.m.
Federal District Court Judge James D. Whittemore, Middle District of Florida (in Tampa), hears arguments on the Schindlers' motion that he order re-insertion of the PEG tube while the lawsuit they will assert pursuant to S.686 is litigated.
Motion for Injunction
Response to Motion for Injunction
Government's Statement of Interest
March 22, 2005
Federal District Court Judge Whittemore refuses to order re-insertion of the PEG tube.
Federal Court Order
The Schindlers appeal Judge Whittemores decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit.
Schindlers 11th Circuit Appeal
Schindlers' Appeal Exhibits
Michael Schiavos Response
Governments Statement of Interest
A look at Capitol Hill politics in Schiavo case.
NPR "Morning Edition" broadcast
March 23, 2005
The U.S. Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2-1 vote, denies the Schindlers' appeal.
11th Circuit Opinion
United States Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, acting en banc (as a whole), refuses to rehear the Schindlers appeal, leaving intact the courts ruling earlier in the day.
En Banc Rehearing Denial
House Democrats and Republicans hold news conferences.
Video via C-Span
The Florida Senate, by a vote of 21-18, again refuses to pass S.804. This bill was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 15, 2005.
Senate Bill 804
History of S.804
Florida Governor Jeb Bush reports that a neurologist, Dr. William Cheshire, claims that Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state. The governor asks the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF) to obtain custody of Ms. Schiavo in light of allegations of abuse. Judge Greer holds a hearing on the matter.
DCF Motion to Intervene
Dr. Cheshire's Affidavit
The Schindlers file a petition for writ of certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court.
Gee, I wonder how he will rule. Duh. I thought he already ruled on this. Guess he's waiting to cause Terri as much suffering as humanly possible, not to mention the agony her parents are suffering. Greer is evil personified.
lol, see my post 628
I doubt that Good Friday is a public holiday in a state like Florida.
It is an attempt by the anti-Christian forces to destroy the values and morals of our Christian culture/country.
The enemy naively believes that they can destroy our country gradually and w/o fighting a shot.
Sad as this may sound, but this is what I foresee.
Wow... Shoulda started that post with "Well, first the Earth cooled, then the dinosaurs came..."
Dang.
I agree wholeheartedly.
It is also a form of conditioning - the next case will go over much easier if the population takes the Terri Case as a regrettable but necessary precedent.
It's gone beyond "sadden" to me - I am now furious - just as much about the freepers who should see thru this DU-like charade - it looks to me like the DU side have found a great bash the Bushes campaign - right out of the dim/socialist/communist play book: Turn the finger of blame on the very people are are doing the right thing.
I picture them gleefully rubbing their hands together with the political bashing they have set to go - "An innocent woman dies because Jeb and George couldn't save her." -
I gotta go take a walk before I explode and use words this ole gramma has never uttered before.
ps - freepers - swallow the bash Bushes crap to your - and our - peril. It's time to take the awareness about the activist judges that this case has brought to the front and run with it to save our country)
I can't even get my Christian sister who lives in TAMPA to go there just to protest, she's got no job outside of her home, (sells on ebay) -- so how likely is it that Freepers will have the courage to go and get arrested for taking a bottle of water to this poor woman?
If only it had been done. :O(
What is an attempt? I went back to the previous message, and can find no reference that makes sense.
There will be shots. This may not be the event that precipitates it. But it will come in time.
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