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Schiavo Appeal Has Been Filed
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Posted on 03/22/2005 6:13:43 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000

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KEYWORDS: clausvonschiavo; deathocrats; dothewillofgod; euthanasia; godhelpus; goodforgopin06; governmentinstrusion; judicaltyranny; judicialcoup; medicalmurder; meninblack; parentsrights; politcalgain; schiavo; t4; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Halls

Honesty is what seems to be lacking in this case between the murderous husband and sadist judge.


1,561 posted on 03/22/2005 4:01:46 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Theodore R.
To me, that would be grounds for the appeals court to give relief (tube re-insertion), and sending the case back to trial to Tampa.

Every Federal judge in the country knows that Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer, Kennedy and Stevens would pull the tube out with their own hands.

And every Federal judge in the country will rule accordingly.

1,562 posted on 03/22/2005 4:02:22 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Theodore R.
It is my understanding that yesterday's hearing only dealt with the injunctive relief pursuant to Section 3 of the law.

SEC. 3. RELIEF.
After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

The judge made a determination of the merits of the suit and accordingly did not grant injunctive relief. Nothing more.

1,563 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:07 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: george wythe
Although we do not rule out the occasional need for a guardian in this type of proceeding, a guardian ad litem would tend to duplicate the function of the judge, would add little of value to this process, and might cause the process to be influenced by hearsay or matters outside the record. Accordingly, we affirm the trial court's discretionary decision in this case to proceed without a guardian ad litem.

Where does the law give the law give such authority? The role of a good guardian ad litem is to oppose anything the guardian tries to do that might be incorrect. The guardian, if his intentions are honest, should be able to prove them to be so.

Essentially, what's happened here is that Greer's allowed Michael to claim "the preponderance of the evidence" without being rebutted by anyone who is allowed full discovery. The appeals court is being amazingly presumptive in declaring what a guardian ad litem wouldn't find.

1,564 posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:25 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Jim Noble

Don't be surprised. Justice Scalia himself said in the Cruzan case that government does not belong in the life-and-death decision-making process.


1,565 posted on 03/22/2005 4:04:43 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: Jim Noble

But if there is a trial, there could be such major revelations that would make it politically impossible for the USSC to rule for euthanasia in this case.


1,566 posted on 03/22/2005 4:05:44 PM PST by Theodore R. (Why does the GOP continue to fiddle while Terri burns? Is it cowardice?)
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To: ContraryMary
He ruled that because the Schindlers did not show reasonable possibility of winning their suit he wasn't going to grant the relief.

You did not read the legislation. He based his decision that they would lose on the trial court record, but the legislation stipulates the procedure that he is to follow - namely to try the cases de novo - which is not a 2 hr preliminary hearing - but a multi-day hearing with expert witnesses, etc.

The trial court erred in chosing to credit that which they were expressly forbidden from crediting - namely the acts of the state to that point.

1,567 posted on 03/22/2005 4:06:44 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Jim Noble

If the case were sent to trial in Tampa, there would be a jury. Wouldn't that save Terri? Or would the USSC say that the law mandating the jury trial is itself unconstitutional?


1,568 posted on 03/22/2005 4:07:14 PM PST by Theodore R. (Why does the GOP continue to fiddle while Terri burns? Is it cowardice?)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

I know this might have been discussed already, but I don't feel like sifting through 1,500 posts...does anyone have any ballpark estimate of when we might know what the 11th Circuit has decided?

I'm 20 minutes from Atlanta...I want to drive down there right now and start raising cain.


1,569 posted on 03/22/2005 4:07:54 PM PST by pkp1184
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To: ContraryMary

"The judge made a determination of the merits of the suit and accordingly did not grant injunctive relief. Nothing more." And what does de novo mean in the Congressional bill?


1,570 posted on 03/22/2005 4:08:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: pkp1184

Just be glad the 11th Circuit meets in a different courthouse than the one that was shot up last week.


1,571 posted on 03/22/2005 4:09:19 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: AndyJackson

The de novo trial comes later. This was merely a hearing on providing injunctive relief.


1,572 posted on 03/22/2005 4:09:28 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: pkp1184

In that the consensus is that the Atlanta court won't help Terri, I cannot imagine why the three judges have been reviewing this for over nine hours now.


1,573 posted on 03/22/2005 4:09:28 PM PST by Theodore R. (Why does the GOP continue to fiddle while Terri burns? Is it cowardice?)
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To: ContraryMary

How stupid. How can there be a de novo trial later if there is no relief granted? What a deceitful judge.


1,574 posted on 03/22/2005 4:10:10 PM PST by Theodore R. (Why does the GOP continue to fiddle while Terri burns? Is it cowardice?)
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To: pkp1184

I heard that they would go late tonight if necessary.


1,575 posted on 03/22/2005 4:10:29 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: supercat
Thank you for your opinion about what the case law should be.

Nevertheless, the case law is what it is, and Connor seems to be out of the loop.

Either the lawyer representing the Jeb Bush was misinformed, or the poster was misquoting him.

1,576 posted on 03/22/2005 4:10:35 PM PST by george wythe
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To: over3Owithabrain

True...maybe a positive ruling from this court will redeem Atlanta for its shortcomings!


1,577 posted on 03/22/2005 4:11:01 PM PST by pkp1184
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To: Theodore R.

Let me know if you would like a link to the judge's decision. He lays it out pretty well.


1,578 posted on 03/22/2005 4:11:23 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
The judge made a determination of the merits of the suit and accordingly did not grant injunctive relief. Nothing more.

You need to read the whole entire act. Section 2 of the same act reads:

the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.

The direction of the Congress to the court to try the case all over again - which was not done - is pretty clear.

1,579 posted on 03/22/2005 4:11:35 PM PST by AndyJackson
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