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AFP: Alternative World Water Forum calls for global tax to save vital resource
AFP via Yahoo ^ | 3/20/05 | AFP - Geneva

Posted on 03/20/2005 7:05:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge

GENEVA (AFP) - Hundreds of activists appealed for a global tax on water and the creation of a "world water parliament" to protect its distribution, at the closing of the Alternative World Water Forum.

The two-day forum's goal is to "promote the creation of a world public service for water" through a series of concrete measures, said Bastienne Joerchel of a Swiss charity group.

The forum proposed introducing a one-cent tax on water worldwide, which would avoid having to use private funding for the distribution of water.

A global water parliament -- expected to hold its first meeting in Brussels next year -- would establish the rules to assure the equitable distribution of the vital resource.

About 1,200 people from around the globe and 150 non-governmental organizations participated in the forum that opened Friday, including the former Portuguese president Mario Soares, co-chairman of the meeting held ahead of Tuesday's World Water Day.

The United Nations (news - web sites) will launch Tuesday its global campaign called "Water for life," which aims to cut by half the number of people worldwide who do not have access to drinking water by 2015.

The forum also adopted an action plan for the recognition of water as a human right, its use for the common good, and called for public financing and democratic control of the resource.

Riccardo Petrella, a professor at Lugano University in Switzerland, called for water to be excluded from the negotiations at the World Trade Organization (news - web sites) on the liberalization of services, and said the World Bank (news - web sites) should stop requiring the privatization of water as a condition for granting loans.


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To: NormsRevenge
A global water parliament...

The future of the West -- self-appointd ninnies who serve no purpose telling others what to do. When the revolution comes in about 1000 years, I hope these people are the first one up against the wall.

21 posted on 03/20/2005 8:44:19 PM PST by Clock King
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To: NormsRevenge
Riccardo Petrella, a professor ..., said the World Bank (news - web sites) should stop requiring the privatization of water...

In other words, this over-educated jerk wants to end private land ownership.

22 posted on 03/20/2005 8:46:59 PM PST by Clock King
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To: NormsRevenge

These people are insane.


23 posted on 03/20/2005 8:50:54 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Sgt_Schultze

The Ocean is the source of fresh water (evaporation).
The lakes and streams are the source of the oceans salt.
Running out of fresh water?
What retards.
24 posted on 03/20/2005 8:53:51 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

WHY IS THE SEA SALTY?



Everyone who has been to the beach knows that seawater is salty. Everyone also knows that fresh water in rain, rivers, and even ice is not salty. Why are some of Earth’s waters salty and others not? There are two clues that give us the answer. First, “fresh” water is not entirely free of dissolved salt. Even rainwater has traces of substances dissolved in it that were picked up during passage through the atmosphere. Much of this material that “washes out” of the atmosphere today is pollution, but there are also natural substances present.

As rainwater passes through soil and percolates through rocks, it dissolves some of the minerals, a process called weathering. This is the water we drink, and of course, we cannot taste the salt because its concentration is too low. Eventually, this water with its small load of dissolved minerals or salts reaches a stream and flows into lakes and the ocean. The annual addition of dissolved salts by rivers is only a tiny fraction of the total salt in the ocean. The dissolved salts carried by all the world’s rivers would equal the salt in the ocean in about 200 to 300 million years.

A second clue to how the sea became salty is the presence of salt lakes such as the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea. Both are about 10 times saltier than seawater. Why are these lakes salty while most of the world’s lakes are not? Lakes are temporary storage areas for water. Rivers and streams bring water to the lakes, and other rivers carry water out of lakes. Thus, lakes are really only wide depressions in a river channel that have filled with water. Water flows in one end and out the other.

The Great Salt Lake, Dead Sea, and other salt lakes have no outlets. All the water that flows into these lakes escapes only by evaporation. When water evaporates, the dissolved salts are left behind. So a few lakes are salty because rivers carried salts to the lakes, the water in the lakes evaporated and the salts were left behind. After years and years of river inflow and evaporation, the salt content of the lake water built up to the present levels. The same process made the seas salty. Rivers carry dissolved salts to the ocean. Water evaporates from the oceans to fall again as rain and to feed the rivers, but the salts remain in the ocean. Because of the huge volume of the oceans, hundreds of millions of years of river input were required for the salt content to build to its present level.

Rivers are not the only source of dissolved salts. About twenty years ago, features on the crest of oceanic ridges were discovered that modified our view on how the sea became salty. These features, known as hydrothermal vents, represent places on the ocean floor where sea water that has seeped into the rocks of the oceanic crust, has become hotter, and has dissolved some of the minerals from the crust, now flows back into the ocean. With the hot water comes a large complement of dissolved minerals. Estimates of the amount of hydrothermal fluids now flowing from these vents indicate that the entire volume of the oceans could seep through the oceanic crust in about 10 million years. Thus, this process has a very important effect on salinity. The reactions between seawater and oceanic basalt, the rock of ocean crust, are not one-way, however; some of the dissolved salts react with the rock and are removed from the water.

A final process that provides salts to the oceans is submarine volcanism, the eruption of volcanoes under water. This is similar to the previous process in that seawater is reacting with hot rock and dissolving some of the mineral constituents.

Will the oceans continue to become saltier? Not likely. In fact the sea has had about the same salt content for many hundred of millions if not billions of years. The salt content has reached a steady state. Dissolved salts are being removed from seawater to form new minerals at the bottom of the ocean as fast as rivers and hydrothermal processes are providing new salts.


25 posted on 03/20/2005 9:01:53 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NormsRevenge

They are out of their minds BUMP!!


26 posted on 03/20/2005 9:08:32 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: boris

the cost of desalinized water is a third of what it was a decade ago. imho the cost of desalinized water will drop by another third in a decade--and that without any major break throughs in energy research.

However, I also think in the next ten years there will be some major break throughs in energy research that collapse the cost of energy to well below current levels.


27 posted on 03/20/2005 9:13:05 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: nopardons
Allow me to give you a little wake-up call. In Central Texas, Kendall County to be exact, the county has already imposed a "fee" read tax on our private, personal water wells. Oh yes, it is ONLY $12.00 per annum NOW, but the "board" can "adjust" those fees/taxes on a whim. And how does this $12.00 conserve water? Why, because now we have a paid board looking after our best interests.

There's a lot more to this story, how simple mathematics proved there was no water crisis and where did all the water go (we've had a wonderfully wet two years)? But who's listening anyway? It's coming to a county near you my friend, be patient.
28 posted on 03/20/2005 9:24:33 PM PST by brushcop
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To: NormsRevenge

This stuff makes me so mad I can't hardly read the articles.


29 posted on 03/20/2005 9:26:24 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: brushcop
the county has already imposed a "fee" read tax on our private, personal water wells

Santa Cruz County, CA is close behind you.
30 posted on 03/20/2005 9:27:05 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: NormsRevenge

When I travel, I often find 1 liter bottles of Fiji Water in the coolers at convience stores. These bottles typically sell for $1.50 or so.

see: http://www.fijiwater.com/site/index.html

You can have as much water from Fiji as you are willing to pay for. Further, you can go on Federal Express' web site and look up what it costs to ship 1 liter of bottled water to just about anywhere in the world. The most remote village in the Middle East that Fedex delivers to costs about $75 for next day air freight.

For less than $80, you can put a liter of bottled water from Fiji in the hands of water starved Middle Eastern citizens, the very next day.

There is no shortage of water, just a shortage of water they can afford.

My domestic water costs about 1/2 cent per gallon. The Israelies are desanlinizingsea water for less than that. One of their new plants (Ashkelon) is projected to produce potable water for a cost of 0.50 US$/cubic meter. That is amazingly inexpensive.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:0J4AsbCezSAJ:www.pwcglobal.com/uk/eng/about/svcs/pfp/Case%2520Study%2520Ashkelon.doc+Israel+desalination+sea+water+cost++contract&hl=en

The question is not that there is a "shortage" of the stuff the oceans are still full of, it is why most people around this world have been kept in such poverty by their governments they cannot afford to buy what should be the least expensive and most readily available of life's necessities.


31 posted on 03/20/2005 9:37:26 PM PST by ewin
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


32 posted on 03/21/2005 3:03:38 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: nopardons

" What's next... some nutters wanting to taxing the air I breathe?"

Kyoto.


33 posted on 03/21/2005 3:20:35 AM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: NormsRevenge; sourcery
They're slow, but still moving forward.
An old article from sourcery that may be of interest to you. Note my "The Water Wars" comment. It wasn't the first time I'd used the expression, just the first time on FR.
Also note the multiple topics on the subject water wars.
As I said then in reply 4...this falls under the auspices of "sustainable development"...
Agenda 21 Chapter 18
PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY AND SUPPLY OF FRESHWATER RESOURCES: APPLICATION OF INTEGRATED APPROACHES TO THE DEVELOPMENT, MANAGEMENT AND USE OF WATER RESOURCES

See the note at the bottom...Report of the United Nations Water Conference, Mar del Plata, 14-25 March 1977 (they've been at it a while, haven't they)
18.9 (d) To identify and strengthen or develop, as required, in particular in developing countries, the appropriate institutional, legal and financial mechanisms (that means taxes on you and me, boys and girls) to ensure that water policy and its implementation are a catalyst for sustainable social progress and economic growth.
I guess some of us are better able to see things that might happen in the future than others. Maybe fewer folks will laugh or throw out "tin foil hat".
34 posted on 03/21/2005 3:56:47 AM PST by philman_36
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To: hedgetrimmer
Santa Cruz County, CA is close behind you.

IIRC, they want meters on all new private wells.

35 posted on 03/21/2005 4:12:00 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: philman_36
I prefer to think of Sustainable Development as Highly Organized Crime (Add-HOC).

Socialism is a legal means whereby artificial shortages can be created so that investors can cash in at the expense of the little people.

36 posted on 03/21/2005 4:16:06 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The United Nations (news - web sites) will launch Tuesday its global campaign called "Water for life," which aims to cut by half the number of people worldwide who do not have access to drinking water by 2015.

Yeah, and exactly HOW many people is that? Also, how are they distributed around the globe (i.e. WHICH countries that have been too busy not maintaining their own infrastructure and have been too busy 'coup-ing' themselves every other week and, generally, ignoring the population-at-large)?

37 posted on 03/21/2005 4:20:47 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: ewin
So, then, the point raises itself: desalinization being so cheap and demand being so great, is it more efficient to desalinate at the coast (one big plant) and pipe it in-country (inviting tapping and theft from the pipe along the way), OR piping-in seawater and having multiple 'point-of-use' plants where they are needed (hopefully they're not stupid-enough to drink raw seawater)?

I vote the latter. Discuss.

38 posted on 03/21/2005 4:31:50 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: NormsRevenge
which aims to cut by half the number of people worldwide who do not have access to drinking water by 2015.

By the logic applied to Terri Schiavo, let them die of dehydration. They're bound to die eventually, anyway, and "death by dehydration is peaceful and serene".

39 posted on 03/21/2005 8:48:04 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: nopardons
What's next... some nutters wanting to taxing the air I breathe?

Bite your tongue!

40 posted on 03/21/2005 9:57:59 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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