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To: Dane

There is an old proverb that hard cases make bad law.

This would set a precedent that no state court decision - even those on purely state matters - would ever be safe from the will of congress. And no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress.

That's a really, really bad precedent. It means further erosion of the Constitution. Remember "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."? Well, you put a big nail in the heart of that amendment and of state's rights in general if this federal intervention happens.

The internal workings of no family would ever be safe from Congress again. Think real hard about that. One day Congress wil be Democrat again. You want them to have that kind of power? Can you think of how they would abuse it?

I'm sorry, but a Constitutional loss on this scale is not worth one life, no matter how sympathetic it might be.


21 posted on 03/20/2005 9:45:05 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: Malleus Dei
"This would set a precedent that no state court decision - even those on purely state matters - would ever be safe from the will of congress. And no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress."

Too bad Greer had to be so inept in the exercize of his power and freedom.

Those who continue to misuse their freedom are ultimately doomed to lose it.

28 posted on 03/20/2005 9:50:44 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted to Terri and Sc hiavo research)
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To: Malleus Dei
You're post makes no sense whatsoever. You state that "no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress," but this case as it stands would set a far more dangerous precedent that no family would ever be safe from a single state court judge who can order the death by starvation of a family member. Who is more likely to make an outrageous and dangerous decision....a single state court judge or the entire US Congress? The answer is obvious when you look at all the corrupt decisions made over the decades by individual judges: one judge is much more likely to destroy a family than the entire congress.

That said, it's always very important to elect the right people to congress so they don't enact damaging legislation. That's democracy and there's no way around the need to get involved and elect good people to congress.

33 posted on 03/20/2005 9:54:51 AM PST by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Teddy's speechs are just one big snore.)
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To: Malleus Dei

If we fail this test of mercy and love, there will be no country under GOD protection anymore. There is a Angel poised with a flaming sword, and judgement and destruction of ungodly men will come by fire...it is written.

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38 posted on 03/20/2005 9:58:05 AM PST by Orlando (TODAY is PALM SUNDAY !(The HOLY WEEK begins))
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To: Malleus Dei
I could not have said it better myself. The Federal legislature has no business in this matter. Every body complains about how these people have too much power from the judiciary to the people in both houses. We are going to rue the day if this law passes. I feel for her mom and dad, however, they brought this public and now it is totally out of control. This case has been going on for years!!!! Let her go. 19 judges have heard this case not one or two but 19!!! The spouse is the next of kin period and he is not the one who brought this out.
39 posted on 03/20/2005 9:58:45 AM PST by mzbzybee ((formerly, Beeline40))
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To: Malleus Dei

Follow the money....

We have an estranged husband who stands to collect million(s) from his ex-wife's estate, provided he can find a friendly judge to execute the death sentence on said ex-wife (I refuse to call him a husband).

Ex-husband's testimony is PURELY heresay evidence, but for some unknown reason, judge declares it accurate. TERRI LEFT NO WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS. According to my old course in contracts, a contract is Not executable without witnesses and signatures of the principals. Michael "says" he heard her say she wanted to die. (Very convenient, eh?)

In the meantime, ex-wife's family says they'll take their daughter and care for her themselves.

What part of **LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS** do you not get? If our government cannot protect us who can? And who will? Democrats?? I think not.


55 posted on 03/20/2005 10:06:11 AM PST by Humidston
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To: Malleus Dei
The internal workings of no family would ever be safe from Congress again.

Precisely, what are you talking about? Since when does any family have the "right" to take the life of another based on questionable evidence of her wishes? In my opinion this is about an individual's right to self determination.

69 posted on 03/20/2005 10:09:19 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: Malleus Dei
The Constitution speaks of one's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If someone's life and liberty isn't a meaningful purpose to defend, then I don't know what is.

I do understand your concern about precedent. This case, though, is without precedent. The purposeful desire to end nutrition and hydration for a disabled person is perverted in the extreme. This is Dr. Mengle-like behaviour.

80 posted on 03/20/2005 10:12:29 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Malleus Dei
This would set a precedent that no state court decision - even those on purely state matters - would ever be safe from the will of congress. And no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress.

That's a really, really bad precedent. It means further erosion of the Constitution.

Sounds kinda like old George Wallace when the Federal Government stepped into desegregation of public schools.

81 posted on 03/20/2005 10:12:39 AM PST by katnip (Starving sick people to death is immoral and Un-American)
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To: Malleus Dei
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect here. Teri has never had a lawyer representing her at any of the court hearings. Her parents have had lawyers, her husband has had lawyers, but Teri never has. She deserves to be represented before the law.

Also, I was totally shocked to find out that she has never had an MRI.

104 posted on 03/20/2005 10:19:14 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Malleus Dei

I'm ever amazed by those who bandy about whining over state's rights while continually overlooking the issue of individual rights.


109 posted on 03/20/2005 10:20:38 AM PST by kenth
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To: Malleus Dei
This would set a precedent that no state court decision - even those on purely state matters - would ever be safe from the will of congress. And no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress.

Liberals in Congress already do whatever they feel like. What would be new here?

Besides, the alternative precedent--that one stinkin' probate judge who cheated to get elected has more power than the Florida Assembly, Florida Senate, U.S. House, U.S. Senate, Governor of Florida, and President of the United States, combined, is far worse.

265 posted on 03/20/2005 11:14:52 AM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Malleus Dei
"The internal workings of no family would ever be safe from Congress again."

You gotta be kidding me. The loose-canon Judiciary has been running roughshod over the family for decades now and you're concerned about Congress stepping in and curtailing the Judicial abuse of power???

When I think of how the judiciary has utterly trashed the family by legalizing abortion on demand and gagging the father's say on the issue, and how they've viciously attacked the traditional family by allowing for homosexual perverts to legally 'marry' and adopt children, and how they've allowed the police the power to crash into a man's house and arrest him if he so much as puts his index finger on his wife's nose during an argument, and how they've allowed little children to have access to pornography in public libraries and at home, at how they've trashed the 2nd Amendment rights to bear arms by allowing frivelous and ridiculous law suits against gun companies because their product was used in a crime, I am just amazed at your post.

270 posted on 03/20/2005 11:15:56 AM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Malleus Dei
really, really bad precedent.

If the courts allow a person to be put to death by starvation at the request, and the convenience of a spouse or next-of-kin simply on hearsay evidence from a person who might stand to gain from that person's death, that's the really,really ,really bad precedent that's being set here.

If Terry had not wanted this kind of care she should have [ as we all should] put it in writng with your doctor or lawyer.

No one should be allowed to take the life of an innocent person without that person's consent.

If Terry is put to death simply because her husband says that's what she wanted, without any tangible proof from Terry, it will set us on another road of death[like Roe vs Wade] that will effect everyone who's looking at their screen right now.

Most all get old and most all have next-of-kin.

We already allow mothers to kill their innocent babies by the thousands each year simply by request, now we want to allow the spouse and siblings to kill those they no longer want by simply saying so.

What is the real reasons these innocents die painful deaths each day ?

It's not for the sake of those that are having their lives taken without their consent.

It's for the sake of convenience and for money.

Lord help this country.

366 posted on 03/20/2005 12:18:18 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: Malleus Dei

You're overlooking the fact that the power to order the torture death of an innocent woman is not a State right. Protecting the Constitutional rights of citizens is not the same thing as interfering with States' rights.


385 posted on 03/20/2005 12:27:35 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Malleus Dei
There is an old proverb that hard cases make bad law.

Judges aren't supposed to make *any* law. That is for the legislature and that is the problem.

This would set a precedent that no state court decision - even those on purely state matters - would ever be safe from the will of congress. And no family would ever be safe from the will of Congress.

At the moment no family is safe from the courts bent on coddling terrorists and criminals, micromanaging education and the workplace, creating gay marriages and on and on. Right now your state legislature and Congress doesn't matter. All the decisions in your life are coming from courts. Don't get it mixed up with federalism. The problem to be addressed NOW is separation of powers at both the federal and state levels.

That's a really, really bad precedent. It means further erosion of the Constitution.

Right now THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION, only the whims of courts that have been wreaking havoc over and over and haven't been questioned since Andrew Jackson.
440 posted on 03/20/2005 1:02:09 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Malleus Dei
I don’ t know what you do for a living but I certainly hope it is not law.

Your statement shows the depth reached by the culture of death.

We have been brainwashed to the point to where if anyone stands in the way of the established order of government and have become an inconvenience or expense, a liability instead of an asset then they need to devalued so they can be removed.

More and more each day our country is being run not as a Republic government but as a business entity.

The Constitution was written to protect the rights of the individual not the right of the State , whether it be in the form of the state or federal government.

The first and foremost of these rights is and has to be the right to life. Without the right to life all the other rights are useless.

A corpse has no rights. Ask any of the hundreds of innocent babies we kill every day how many and which rights they have exercised or enjoyed lately.

Michael and judge Greer have determined for Terry that her life is no longer of any value to them or society .

Therefore they have decided for her that the best thing is to end her life by starvation.

They have no tangible proof other than hearsay from those that might stand to benefit from and wish see her dead that this is Terry’s wish.

If Terry did not wish to be kept alive then she should have [as we all should] indicated so in writing .

We have already given the right to kill innocent babies by simple request to those who are supposed to love them the most, their mothers.

The altars on which we perform these human sacrifices are the altars of convenience and financial gain.

We have turned our courts and judges in this country into our gods.

They say or let others say who can be born, what we can do and even think while we are here.

Now we want to give them and others the power to determine who is of enough value to receive the care and continue to live and who are not.

Those that are not will, face the prospect of removal without any input or viable proof of consent of consent from them.

That’s the real, really, really, really bad precedent that’s being set here.

This is nothing new. This is the way it started in 1930’s Germany.

We have seen where Roe vs. wade has done to the value of life.

Now we want to open another door to death and shove those innocents through it that have become a burden and expense.

After all they will never come for us . Everybody knows we’re special.

516 posted on 03/20/2005 6:06:46 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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