Deadly Shooting Puts School on Lockdown (Pittsburgh)

KDKA ^ | 3/16/05 | KDKA

[HereComesTheGOP]

Pittsburgh (KDKA) A deadly shooting outside Carrick High School this afternoon has put the school on lockdown.

Officials have confirmed that one student is dead and two others were wounded in the shooting around 2pm.

According to authorities, police stopped a car outside the school and were running a check on its license plate when another vehicle pulled up and started shooting at the car.

One juvenile in the car was shot in the head and killed; a second juvenile was critically injured by gunshots. A third juvenile in the car was injured by flying glass. Authorities believe all three were Carrick High School students.

Police say the shooting may have involved an AK-47.

As a precaution, students have been kept inside the building past their normal 2:17pm dismissal while police officers swarmed the area; but they're expected to be released within the hour.

More than 1300 students in ninth through twelfth grades are enrolled at Carrick High School, which is located on Parkfield Street.

[savethemanatees]

arms are for hugging..


i would feel better if it didn't happen...personally.

[KingofQue]

I suppose a 12 Ga. would have been better?

[verity]

Those involved were all on the Dean's List and were on their way to choir practice.

[KingofQue]

That is correct you should be able to have any arm that the military has. Most cannot afford F16's or M1A1 Abrahms Tanks. During most of our history you could possess all kinds of weaponry, crime didn't really start getting out of hand until they banned full auto weapons in the 20's or 30's.

[Gilbo_3]

Ignorant, eh? I could tell you were going there

Oh really, although you call someone else an idiot, and then cant tell that Im sarcastically rubbing your nose in it with 'control-carry' ???

Your whole lame argument seems to be based on gun freedoms, so long as those freedoms are restricted. and since you cannot see that your 'line in the sand' has no reality in the framers context, then you resort to name calling and leapfrogging from 'reasonable civilian weapons' to RPGS. Like there should be a difference.

And since your knee jerk will be that RPGs arent reasonable for civilians, I will go ahead and ask WHY NOT ???

at what point does you or the government have any say in what I may peacably do with my time or money ? If I have the land to peacefully use them, or to play with mortars or demolitions etc, why are you afraid ???

[dbehsman]

"There is NO good reason for AK-47's to be "on the streets"."

Yeah, I know. That bayonet lug at the end of the rifle makes it SO much more deadly than a regular semi auto rifle!(Sarcasm off)

Would you have been happier if the victims had been shot with a pretty rifle?

[KingofQue]

Then how do you fight a government gone bad? That is the intent of the 2nd Amendment.

[Bear_Slayer]

Therefore, citizens should have the right to own these

I don't disagree with you, but I can't help but wonder where someone would go to shoot a few rounds. I live on 12 acres in the woods, so I know there is room, but the neighbors, even without covenants would pitch a BIG fit.

[Bear_Slayer]

reasonable self-defense

I'm late on this forum, so it's probably been asked, but is defending yourself from a tyrannical government reasonable? If so, whould you use a six-shooter to do this?

[HKMk23]

Hey, cut the boys in blue a little slack; it takes a few seconds to get your BVD's changed and get off the floorboards and, by then, the perp's are outta sight and ya kinda gotta just guess based on whatever you can recall from those last few split seconds before all Hell broke loose.

Have some compassion. Maybe chip in for laundry money.

[Atlas Sneezed]

We don't have a right to unlimited destructive power, there is no right to a bazooka or rocket launcher. If you can't draw the line somewhere, than everything is available, including the latter.

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Such arms were available and legal back without crisis in the past.

Consider how they fit into the vies of one "liberal" Democrat on the purpose of the second amendment. (You will have to twist your panties into a knot to explain why a grenade launcher is not "arms" for the purpose of the second amendment.):

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible"

Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D) Minn.
"Know Your Lawmakers" Guns (magazine), February, 1960, p. 4.

It would seem that AK47s and RPGs are close to ideal implements to "safeguard against tyranny."

[ctdonath2]

Ah. With a bunch of I'm-pro-RKBA-but-not-really people crawling around this thread, it was easy to misinterpret your point.

[Mulder]

Many of the replies here are indictive on the new feminized Amerika. This new culture isn't good for much of anything except consuming raw materials, creating waste, and performing menial slave-labor tasks. (They emerging Amerikan culture even sucks at the latter).

"That gun is too big. That one is too small. That one shoots too many bullets. That device is too destructive. That one looks too menacing". And so on...

There was a time in this country when you could own, carry, and use ANY weapon you wanted to. So long as you didn't harm anyone or weren't negligent. That was back when this was a relatively Free country.

The citenzry had better weapons than the state up until the early 1900s, when the trend started to change for the worse. It is no coincidence that the creation of a centralized bank, a national income tax, and a war-for-the-bankers, soon followed.

The end result of this nanny mindset about guns and weapons is that America is now a nation of sheep. No longer are we a nation of real men bent on exploration, construction, and invention.

[Spktyr]

Yup. In fact, private Americans used to own many, far more dangerous weapons than a simple rocket launcher. In fact, private citizens used to own sloops-of-war, frigates, and one or two even owned a ship-of-the-line (battleship) with up to 74 cannon. These vessels were "attached" to the US Navy in time of war, but they were manned by the permanent private crew and captain, and their owners were responsible for maintenance and provisioning. These vessels, under no Navy guidance, would go out and capture enemy shipping and sink enemy warships. Quite often these vessels were more powerful than all but the larger units of the US Navy; in the beginning, they WERE our Navy.

Privateers contributed greatly to the conflicts the US was involved in and helped win the Revolution, the Quasi-War with France, the War of 1812, and every war right up until our Civil War. The modern equivalent would be a privately owned, fully armed and operational B-52 or Aegis guided missile cruiser.

Americans used to provide their own cannon for militia and Army activities (again, up to and including the Civil War). Much of the Revolution and the War of 1812 was fought with privately owned cannon and howitzers, borrowed from the settlements and people that owned them.

[freecopper01]

It does not even say if the police fired back. My gosh, they should have at the LEAST blown the tires of the car and slowed the killers down and then got them. SCAREY.

[Mo1]

Let me get this straight .. the police stopped a car and while the cop car is there .. another car pulls up and shoots at the stopped car and then gets away???

[VadeRetro]

Sound sometimes bounces off of atmospheric layers. Sometimes a loud sound is heard 100 miles from the origin but not at points between, the angle being unfavorable for good bounce effects.

[Spktyr]

Let's play a game.

One of these pictures is a legal semi-auto AK variant . One is a small caliber target rifle. One is a fully automatic "assault rifle," classed as a machine gun. Can you pick which one is which?

One:

Two:

Three:

[Spktyr]

Looks like number 1 has trouble loading. Here's another pic of it.

[EdoTerglav]

FYI Carrick is about 95% white. Carrick High School draws students from other areas of the city as well. The school is about 30% black, with many of these minority students coming from places like Beltzhoover and St Clair. Initial indications are the shooting was a result of a dispute between students from these two communities. As you might expect Carrick parents are really PO'ed.