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Condi "Mildly Pro-Choice"
http://www.drudgereport.com ^ | 3-11-2005 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 03/11/2005 6:32:41 PM PST by Sola Veritas

Rice pointedly declined to rule out running for president in 2008 on Friday during an hour-long interview with reporters at WASHINGTON TIMES, top sources tell DRUDGE. Rice gave her most detailed explanation of a 'mildly pro-choice' stance on abortion, she would not want the government 'forcing its views' on abortion... She explained that she is libertarian on the issue, adding: 'I have been concerned about a government role'... Developing late Friday for Saturday cycles... MORE...


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To: Mr. Silverback

Maybe she's trying to have it both ways - which (as you observed) is not possible. Either a person's a person no matter how small, or "poof!" the tissue magically becomes a person at [pick one: birth, second trimester, heart beating, brain activity, or any other gradual, scalar criteria].


1,421 posted on 03/12/2005 4:31:06 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: sitetest
If pro-lifers worked to elect politicians who respected the constitution, rather than blowing them off because they didn't toe the whole moment of conception, no compromise line, that wouldn't be a problem.

We have seen many posters here say that Hillary would be no better than Condi, and they'll stay home, because "you are either pro-life or pro-death".

Their narrowly focused "strategy" only gets us more Black-robed maggots.
1,422 posted on 03/12/2005 4:43:41 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: joesbucks

Go to RenewAmerica.us and do a search. You'll find everything you need to know about what he was doing and saying at that time.

I for one know, and think he did exactly the right thing for the country.

Taking on an incumbent President of your own party during wartime would be the height of stupidity.

The enemy was John Kerry and the Democrats. Thank God we all stuck together to defeat them.


1,423 posted on 03/12/2005 4:44:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You can't negotiate or compromise with Nazis, Islamists or Liberals...All you can do is crush them..)
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To: Trinity_Tx
It's a tricky matter, to be sure. I don't see the other side compromising though. They are the Beavis and Butthead contingent - no truth, anything goes, life's a farce. Why should the oness always be on the side that wishes to protect life to compromise?

Apart from Democrats for Life, can you think of any significant pro-life groups or individuals gaining visibility in their party? Roemer was rejected as chair for his views.

1,424 posted on 03/12/2005 4:48:37 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Trinity_Tx
Spitting in the eye of everyone who wants to go part of the way with you, just because they don't want to go all the way with you, loses the support you need to get the distance they would help you get otherwise.

I've done no such thing. I've simply fought against those who want to make our pro-life party into another pro-death RAT party.

No thanks. The republic can't survive that.

Everyone is welcome on the bus, but the pro-life majority drives...

1,425 posted on 03/12/2005 4:49:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You can't negotiate or compromise with Nazis, Islamists or Liberals...All you can do is crush them..)
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To: Irish Rose

I didn't say there was no truth behind the platitude. I'm just telling you that it is not a sufficient pragmatic answer to a real-world problem.

I understand you "don't feel overly bound by 'reality'." But I think it is critical. See my above posts for why, no need to go in circles.

Anyway, I'm glad there are people like you among us, and I respect your faith. I also love the Irish and, especially, roses. ; )


1,426 posted on 03/12/2005 4:50:16 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: SuziQ
If Condi were able to get through the primary, and has beaten out any other pro-life candidates, then I would consider her the person the majority of Repubs. prefer.

Gotta be careful with that, though. "The People" usually have far too little involvement in who runs and who gets the support needed just to get to and through the primaries. Every one of us should be active in the pre-primary process before our choices are narrowed so much.
1,427 posted on 03/12/2005 4:56:29 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: tuckrdout
I'm glad you saw the light.

Oh, I'll pray, whether I vote will be a different thing.

Let's show her some 4-D ultrasounds and see what her choice will be.

To tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of voting for the "lesser" of two evils, the bottom line is that evil is evil, the greater of or the lesser of, it's still evil which results in the killing God's children and killing the living without guaranteeing their constitutional rights to life.

1,428 posted on 03/12/2005 4:59:12 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya! Kill babies, Save the Bears!!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Only for the mildly pregnant.


1,429 posted on 03/12/2005 5:00:53 PM PST by PackardClipper
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To: EternalVigilance

Because of her other strengths, I'd love to send her off to a retreat with our most presuasive pro-life advocates...and Norma McCorvey...and let them get her up to speed on the issue.

If she can't be presuaded of the urgency of the issue (and I'm thinking here of the concept that it IS a matter of enough consiquence for government "meddling") - especially as it relates to judicial appointments - then I'd have to pass on her.

but if she comes out of such a meeting with her eyes opened, I'd trust here to be speaking honestly on it and not just be exibiting a politically motivated shift.

I actually believe she doesn't really have that ambition that some have which let's them shift about searching for the most opertune position on an issue.

Thing is - I don't have a clear favorite for '8 right now - I just know who i DON'T want (I'm looking at you Rudy, John, Chuck, and Mit).


1,430 posted on 03/12/2005 5:08:25 PM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: Lexinom
We don't need the ones who wont compromise, though. We just need the support of those who will, and to stop being so dogmatic we refuse to do everything we can to oust the ones who wont.

There are so many Americans who find abortion wrong, just with certain exclusions. If we stopped running them off, we could get at least to that level, then fight for the rest.

Like Supercat said in #568, The left knows how to work slowly toward an end. It's time that conservatives started using the same techniques.
1,431 posted on 03/12/2005 5:09:12 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: Lexinom

I agree. This Condi "cunundrum" will be worked out in the Republican Primaries. The abortion issue will be dealt with through appointment of judges. I don't think Washington politicians have the brass to address it head on. It would be as bloody as this thread has been. If we follow the constitution, and not the world view of a few supreme court justices, this issue will be returned to the states where it belongs. Then the Red/Blue state will declare their will. It is a long and rocky road we travel.


1,432 posted on 03/12/2005 5:12:40 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: Calpernia

So...I'm wondering what is up?
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Me too, maybe the insiders are grooming both sides now so they win no matter who is elected.


1,433 posted on 03/12/2005 5:32:45 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya! Kill babies, Save the Bears!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
I said: Spitting in the eye of everyone who wants to go part of the way with you, just because they don't want to go all the way with you, loses the support you need to get the distance they would help you get otherwise.


You reply: I've done no such thing.

Yes, you have! lol I've felt it first hand.

And: "I've simply fought against those who want to make our pro-life party into another pro-death RAT party."

And that's one way you do it - you accuse us of various scurrilous motives and morals simply because we don't agree with all your ideas.

Anyway... I've got other problems with Condi, and I'm exhausted - long day... So, off to more pleasant pursuits.
See ya around. ; )
1,434 posted on 03/12/2005 5:33:35 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: kabar
What are the basics of the neocon philosophy? Is there a seminal document that spells it all out? Do these neocons run the US the same way other conspiracy nuts believe the Bilderbegers run the globe?

____________________________________________

One would hope that anybody engaging in any discussion of the world in 2005 would not have to ask "What are the basics of the neocon philosophy?" And, yes there are tons of "seminal documents" that spell it all out. With all your study of the subject how did you miss them?

Nice try in your attempt to imply that anyone who is informed about the foreign policy that is reshaping the globe must be a conspiracy nut. Perhaps you need to return to the mid east for a while.

1,435 posted on 03/12/2005 5:36:38 PM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Wow! Well seven is my lucky number, so perfect!! Great news for your granddaughter, I'll say a prayer for her and her soon-to-be son/daughter....and you!! :0

Enjoy the rest of the weekend!!


1,436 posted on 03/12/2005 5:45:40 PM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: Trinity_Tx

Dear Trinity_Tx,

"If pro-lifers worked to elect politicians who respected the constitution, rather than blowing them off because they didn't toe the whole moment of conception, no compromise line, that wouldn't be a problem."

What are you talking about?

No politician who respects the Constitution goes unsupported by the pro-life movement. Any politician who respects the Constitution is for overturning Roe v. Wade. Any Republican in favor of overturning Roe running against any Democrat always gets the support of the pro-life movement.

Pro-lifers have supported George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan. These are the folks who nominate Supreme Court Justices.

Pro-lifers have supported conservative Republicans for House and Senate. Sen. Santorum wouldn't have won twice in Pennsylvania without pro-lifers, many who are Democrats who crossed party lines to support a pro-life Republican.

These allegedly conservative politicians who allegedly respect the Constitution have nonetheless given us Sandra Day O'Connor, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy.

Whether the blame resides with the presidents and Senators and Representatives that pro-lifers have helped elect, or elsewhere, these folks have only found their way to office in part because of the support of pro-lifers.

In fact, if pro-abortion "conservatives" had stuck with GHW Bush in 1992 or Bob Dole in 1996 as much as pro-lifers, Bill Clinton would have never been elected. Remember, 57% of Americans votes AGAINST Bill Clinton in 1992. But unfortunately, 19% of those folks voted for PRO-ABORTION Ross Perot. I assure you, we hard-core "uncompromising" pro-lifers were not voting for Ross or Bill. But other parts of the conservative coalition walked away from President GHW Bush in 1992, not pro-lifers.

So, the blood shed by Mr. Clinton's appointment of two maggots to the Supreme Court is on the hands of pro-abortion "conservatives" who abandoned President GHW Bush.

In the case of Condi Rice, if she cannot figure out that Roe must go, then she really doesn't respect the Constitution. And if she doesn't respect the Constitution, then she can't have our votes.

What has stopped the pro-life movement is not our inability to achieve compromise, or our inability to win political victories. We've won those time and again. We've worked with folks who weren't in favor of our entire agenda. When we work for laws like partial birth abortion bans, or parental notification laws, or informed consent laws - laws that we've worked hard on as a movement, we are engaging in political compromise. ALL OF THESE LIMITATIONS HAVE BEEN PASSED SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. As a result of COMPROMISE engaged in by pro-lifers.

But these are all at the fringe. We can't win the big one - legislation at the federal or state level that really restricts the abortion license - until Roe goes.

That failure hasn't been because we won't compromise. That failure is because a majority of individuals who have sat on the Supreme Court at anyone time are bloodthirsty ba$tards who have thwarted the will of the American people time and time again on the question of abortion.

Go look at the polls! We pro-lifers have won, and continue to win the moral argument, the battle for the minds and hearts of regular, ordinary Americans.

Super large majorities support a ban on partial birth abortion, parental notification, informed consent, and waiting-period laws. Large majorities support all but eliminating third trimester abortions, majorities support tight restrictions on second trimester abortions, and majorities believe that even first trimester abortion should be limited to the difficult circumstances of rape, incest, life of the mother, and severe deformity of the unborn child.

It isn't pro-lifers' unwillingness to compromise that prevents all of these compromises in law from becoming law. It's the unwillingness of a majority of the Supreme Court Justices to permit the will of the people to be expressed through legislation.

Get with the '80s. We pro-lifers have shown our flexibility, our willingness to compromise, our political savvy time and time again. But we are thwarted by a court that has appointed itself god of America. Not by any supposed unwillingness to compromise.


sitetest


1,437 posted on 03/12/2005 6:13:36 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Taking on an incumbent President of your own party during wartime would be the height of stupidity.

It probably would have been political suicide. However taking on Obama was political suicide.

That being said, let's do some what if. Keyes did take Bush on in the primaries and through some strange quick managed to win the nomination. And let's say that luck was even with him further and he won the general election. (Let's not call it luck, but rather intervention whick is within the realm of possibility). What would stop him as President from issuing an executive order stopping abortion? Can executive orders be overturned by anyone except another presideint? Instead of waiting on appointing judges, as this President appears willing to do, judges that can change stripes once on a court that answers to no one, he could end the murder of the innocent with the stroke of his pen. No congressional action, no waiting on a favorable court if one ever comes along. A simple EO.

That's why I find fault with him sitting out the primary. While his chance of winning would have been slim, it could have happened. The enemy was John Kerry and the Democrats. Thank God we all stuck together to defeat them.

1,438 posted on 03/12/2005 6:25:15 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: sitetest

Read the posts in this thread that I referred to. Read the ones on the other threads. To pretend they don't exist makes your telling me to "get with the 80's" a bit hard to swallow.


1,439 posted on 03/12/2005 6:25:39 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: sitetest

You're truly brilliant.

Thank you for posting such a cogent summation of the truth.


1,440 posted on 03/12/2005 6:37:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You can't negotiate or compromise with Nazis, Islamists or Liberals...All you can do is crush them..)
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