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To: sitetest
If pro-lifers worked to elect politicians who respected the constitution, rather than blowing them off because they didn't toe the whole moment of conception, no compromise line, that wouldn't be a problem.

We have seen many posters here say that Hillary would be no better than Condi, and they'll stay home, because "you are either pro-life or pro-death".

Their narrowly focused "strategy" only gets us more Black-robed maggots.
1,422 posted on 03/12/2005 4:43:41 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
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To: Trinity_Tx
It's a tricky matter, to be sure. I don't see the other side compromising though. They are the Beavis and Butthead contingent - no truth, anything goes, life's a farce. Why should the oness always be on the side that wishes to protect life to compromise?

Apart from Democrats for Life, can you think of any significant pro-life groups or individuals gaining visibility in their party? Roemer was rejected as chair for his views.

1,424 posted on 03/12/2005 4:48:37 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Trinity_Tx

Dear Trinity_Tx,

"If pro-lifers worked to elect politicians who respected the constitution, rather than blowing them off because they didn't toe the whole moment of conception, no compromise line, that wouldn't be a problem."

What are you talking about?

No politician who respects the Constitution goes unsupported by the pro-life movement. Any politician who respects the Constitution is for overturning Roe v. Wade. Any Republican in favor of overturning Roe running against any Democrat always gets the support of the pro-life movement.

Pro-lifers have supported George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan. These are the folks who nominate Supreme Court Justices.

Pro-lifers have supported conservative Republicans for House and Senate. Sen. Santorum wouldn't have won twice in Pennsylvania without pro-lifers, many who are Democrats who crossed party lines to support a pro-life Republican.

These allegedly conservative politicians who allegedly respect the Constitution have nonetheless given us Sandra Day O'Connor, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy.

Whether the blame resides with the presidents and Senators and Representatives that pro-lifers have helped elect, or elsewhere, these folks have only found their way to office in part because of the support of pro-lifers.

In fact, if pro-abortion "conservatives" had stuck with GHW Bush in 1992 or Bob Dole in 1996 as much as pro-lifers, Bill Clinton would have never been elected. Remember, 57% of Americans votes AGAINST Bill Clinton in 1992. But unfortunately, 19% of those folks voted for PRO-ABORTION Ross Perot. I assure you, we hard-core "uncompromising" pro-lifers were not voting for Ross or Bill. But other parts of the conservative coalition walked away from President GHW Bush in 1992, not pro-lifers.

So, the blood shed by Mr. Clinton's appointment of two maggots to the Supreme Court is on the hands of pro-abortion "conservatives" who abandoned President GHW Bush.

In the case of Condi Rice, if she cannot figure out that Roe must go, then she really doesn't respect the Constitution. And if she doesn't respect the Constitution, then she can't have our votes.

What has stopped the pro-life movement is not our inability to achieve compromise, or our inability to win political victories. We've won those time and again. We've worked with folks who weren't in favor of our entire agenda. When we work for laws like partial birth abortion bans, or parental notification laws, or informed consent laws - laws that we've worked hard on as a movement, we are engaging in political compromise. ALL OF THESE LIMITATIONS HAVE BEEN PASSED SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. As a result of COMPROMISE engaged in by pro-lifers.

But these are all at the fringe. We can't win the big one - legislation at the federal or state level that really restricts the abortion license - until Roe goes.

That failure hasn't been because we won't compromise. That failure is because a majority of individuals who have sat on the Supreme Court at anyone time are bloodthirsty ba$tards who have thwarted the will of the American people time and time again on the question of abortion.

Go look at the polls! We pro-lifers have won, and continue to win the moral argument, the battle for the minds and hearts of regular, ordinary Americans.

Super large majorities support a ban on partial birth abortion, parental notification, informed consent, and waiting-period laws. Large majorities support all but eliminating third trimester abortions, majorities support tight restrictions on second trimester abortions, and majorities believe that even first trimester abortion should be limited to the difficult circumstances of rape, incest, life of the mother, and severe deformity of the unborn child.

It isn't pro-lifers' unwillingness to compromise that prevents all of these compromises in law from becoming law. It's the unwillingness of a majority of the Supreme Court Justices to permit the will of the people to be expressed through legislation.

Get with the '80s. We pro-lifers have shown our flexibility, our willingness to compromise, our political savvy time and time again. But we are thwarted by a court that has appointed itself god of America. Not by any supposed unwillingness to compromise.


sitetest


1,437 posted on 03/12/2005 6:13:36 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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