Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Condi "Mildly Pro-Choice"
http://www.drudgereport.com ^ | 3-11-2005 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 03/11/2005 6:32:41 PM PST by Sola Veritas

Rice pointedly declined to rule out running for president in 2008 on Friday during an hour-long interview with reporters at WASHINGTON TIMES, top sources tell DRUDGE. Rice gave her most detailed explanation of a 'mildly pro-choice' stance on abortion, she would not want the government 'forcing its views' on abortion... She explained that she is libertarian on the issue, adding: 'I have been concerned about a government role'... Developing late Friday for Saturday cycles... MORE...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; brown; condirice; drudge; hateconditime; keylife; stevebrown; stevebrownetc
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,381-1,4001,401-1,4201,421-1,440 ... 1,521-1,539 next last
To: Irish Rose
"You can't compromise on murder."

Yes. That is always the response. But relying on that platitude gets us nowhere. Babies are still being torn limb from limb because of it.

I'm not suggesting anyone compromise our morals or acceptance of murder. I'm saying we must compromise in terms of strategy only. Refusing to fight by the rules of reality - winning votes - means forsaking the progress that could be made if we were pragmatic.

We have to stop being so heavenly minded, we're no earthly good.

I have company - back in a bit.
1,401 posted on 03/12/2005 2:45:02 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1378 | View Replies]

To: madprof98

If I have the unfortunate choice of two candidates, both pro-abortion (or mildly pro-choice), one a conservative and one a liberal, I won't sit it out. I will vote for the conservative. To sit it out is to support Hillary who is also pro-abortion. I don't always like my choices in elections, but I vote for the best alternative available. Not to do so is wasteful.


1,402 posted on 03/12/2005 2:48:17 PM PST by NCLaw441
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Hand em their arse

I'd be honored and what's more, I'd be getting TWO new greatgrandchildren at once. Our granddaughter is expecting a baby any day. We're playing a waiting game. You make number seven.


1,403 posted on 03/12/2005 2:50:26 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1276 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
Real quick...


"I think I understand your 'strategy' pretty well.

It's called 'victory through compromise'.

Never works in the real world, though."



Yes, it does work. It is what effective politicians are best at - diplomacy and strategic compromise. This is politics - not church service.

It is your "strategy" of dogmatism and rudely offending everyone who you even think veers even slightly away from your position that hasn't even been able to get rid of partial birth abortion - which would be easy to outlaw if the fight against it weren't bogged down by the heavy-handed, "no compromise" baggage.
1,404 posted on 03/12/2005 2:58:22 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1393 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx

Chamberlain would have loved ya.

You can't negotiate and compromise with Nazis. You can't negotiate and compromise with Islamo-fascists, and you can't negotiate and compromise with American liberals of either party.

When you try, you lose ground for our side every single time.

I've watched compromisers get taken by the Left for years.

The Tom Harkins, Hillary Clintons, Teddy Kennedys, et al, stab 'moderate Republicans' every day without remorse; and the next day, the same naive Republicans come back for more of the same. When will they learn?

This is a war, friend...and the other side doesn't play fair, and they don't compromise in their pursuit of the culture of death.

The sooner you realize it, the more effective you will be...if you truly are pro-life as you way.


1,405 posted on 03/12/2005 3:06:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Taglinus FreeRepublicus: An awesome demonstration of the fact that Free Republic is awash in genius!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1404 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx

Thanks for giving me my new tagline.


1,406 posted on 03/12/2005 3:10:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You can't negotiate or compromise with Nazis, Islamists or Liberals...All you can do is crush them..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1404 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx

Dear Trinity_Tx,

"hasn't even been able to get rid of partial birth abortion -"

We evil no-compromise right-to-lifers having nothing to do with the failure to get rid of partial birth abortion.

Actually, several states and the federal government have all passed laws outlawing partial birth abortion.

However, the black-robed maggots have consistently prevented the implementation of these laws.

As they nullified the laws of the majority of states in 1973 that had up until that time made abortion generally illegal in those states.

Even now, if Roe were overturned, abortion would be significantly restricted or be generally illegal in a majority of states.

It is not the failure of the pro-life movement to compromise that prolongs the killing of the innocent. It is the black-robed moral enormities that sit on the high court that prolong the death. They drink damnation upon themselves by spilling the blood of millions.


sitetest


1,407 posted on 03/12/2005 3:26:13 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1404 | View Replies]

To: wtc911
Saudi money sponsors madrases world wide where wahaabism is taught. That includes schools right here. They are very much a state sponsor of terror but one that is for a number of reasons off limits for now.

As someone who has lived in Saudi Arabia for five years, Iran for two (during the fall of the Shah), and Indonesia for two, I think this two hundred year old wahhabism boogeyman is overdone. The true roots of Islamic terrorism come from Khomeini and his hijacking of the Iranian revolution. I would also assert that mainstream Islam is a major part of the problem and has manifested itself in conflicts around the globe long before 1979 or 9/11. Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism regardless of what you say.

No kidding. Do you want (or need) a thesis on the Neo Con philosophy? I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that most here at least grasp the basics.

You assume too much. What are the basics of the neocon philosophy? Is there a seminal document that spells it all out? Do these neocons run the US the same way other conspiracy nuts believe the Bilderbegers run the globe?

1,408 posted on 03/12/2005 3:30:33 PM PST by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1290 | View Replies]

To: Peach
Complimenting your post. You're on target.
1,409 posted on 03/12/2005 3:40:05 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1283 | View Replies]

To: darkmatter
Seems to me the real issue is judges. Condi is against federal funding and partial birth, and for parental notification. That covers everything that could possibly be done against abortion by the President or Congress. The only other issue is whether she would appoint strict constructionist judges, or slant judicial appointments to protect Roe. It ought at least to be possible to be pro-choice and still not be crazy about Roe's jurisprudence. If her judicial picks would undermine the Left's control over the judiciary, then she would be giving pro-lifers everything they need from a president. The question is whether being pro-choice is a religion for her, as it is for most Democrats, or really just a "mild" opinion that would be satisfied to see the issue hashed out state by state.
1,410 posted on 03/12/2005 3:41:28 PM PST by Southern Federalist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Southern Federalist

Amen Couldn't have said it better.


1,411 posted on 03/12/2005 3:51:41 PM PST by darkmatter (Let them hate. As long as they fear. -Julius Caesar)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1410 | View Replies]

To: Trinity_Tx

Even if "You can't compromise on murder" is a platitude to you, it is a principle to me. And I don't think babies are still torn limb from limb because of it.

But I can't answer on whether or not we should compromise on strategy, because I'm not clear on what you mean. I don't see how supporting someone who wants abortion legal is strategically wise, but let us suppose it is. When you help put someone in office who will defend abortion, are you not defending abortion yourself, albeit indirectly?

Of course we must understand the reality of things as we fight to end abortion. That isn't something we can ignore. Still, I don't think we need to fight by the "rules of reality", which strike me as having the meaning "rules of the world". I have two reasons. One, I don't feel overly bound by "reality". There is much more than the reality we see around us, and with God all things are possible. Secondly, our Lord has commanded us to live in a way that defies all the world's rules and wisdom. Our fight isn't necessarily doomed if we conduct it in a way that defies the rules and wisdom of the world we live in.


1,412 posted on 03/12/2005 3:54:24 PM PST by Irish Rose (Some people march to the beat of a different drummer. And some people tango!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1401 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance

Then educate me. He sat out the primary, once or twice said a few things that upset the bots on the forum here, but was pretty much supportive. By sitting out the primary, a focused pro-life candidate did not make the position known other than what the Bush team did to win
Evangelicals


1,413 posted on 03/12/2005 3:57:17 PM PST by joesbucks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1389 | View Replies]

To: madprof98
Well put. She wouldn't get any votes here either, even against Hillary. We'd sit it out.

Then, if Hillary were elected, you'd deserve what you get!!

Folks quit being in such a snit about this! For one thing, there is nothing in the article that gives any information about her position on the subject, other than the 'mildly pro-choice' mention. Even if she were 'mildly pro-choice', if there were a choice between her and ANY Democrat, there'd be NO QUESTION for whom I'd vote. Just which party gives even a passing pro-life mention? It sure isn't the Dems.

If Condi were able to get through the primary, and has beaten out any other pro-life candidates, then I would consider her the person the majority of Repubs. prefer. At that point, she would have run the gauntlet of the primary Repub. voters, and we know that they tend to be the most Conservative. At that point, we Conservatives would have to make a decision, but I'd hope it would be in regards to what the country would be like with the Dems back in charge, not only with regard to the abortion issue, but the whole issue of National Security as well. If you keep that in mind, there's no way the Dems should be in the White House again anytime in the foreseeable future!

As for the President "setting her up to run", who has put forth this notion, except the media? Frankly, if the media says anything about what the President is thinking or planning, I disregard it, because he certainly doesn't tell THEM before he tells everyone else!

1,414 posted on 03/12/2005 3:58:56 PM PST by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

1,415 posted on 03/12/2005 3:59:55 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ
It sounds like you are assuming that a pro-abort '08 candidate is inevitable. I don't think it is: our candidate selection is free-market driven, supply-and-demand. There's no invisible hand (besides the free-market within the GOP) that will force us to select someone with whose views we disagree.

I'm still undecided about Condi. Need to hear more. I'd also factor in the makeup of the SCOTUS in '08 into the decision.

1,416 posted on 03/12/2005 4:07:58 PM PST by Lexinom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1414 | View Replies]

To: Sola Veritas
There are two groups on this forum that I just can't abide - hard core atheistic/naturalistic evolutionists and libertarians.

My big thing with the "libertarian" argument for abortion rights is that it's about as libertarian as Communism.

Either the fetus is a humna or its not.

If it is, the government has as much right to allow you to kill the child in the name of "libertarianism" as it does to give you the right to kill your next door neighbor. It should protect the fetus because the first and most legitimate government function is the protection of defenseless citizens.

If the fetus is not human and merely unwanted tissue, then the state should have no role in deciding whether you abort any more than they should decide whether you have a mole removed, but that is only the case if we know beyond reasonable doubt that the fetus is not human, otherwise the government must err on the side of protection.

Condi's view (if Drudge got it right) is even sillier. There's no reason to be only "mildly pro-choice" if the fetus is tissue (in that case, abort-a-rama, baby, and who cares) and being pro-choice at all if the fetus is human is monstrous.

1,417 posted on 03/12/2005 4:09:41 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback

Do you get the feeling, as I do, that maybe she hasn't spent a lot of time thinking about this issue being preoccupied with foreign affairs and the WOT?


1,418 posted on 03/12/2005 4:12:52 PM PST by Lexinom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1417 | View Replies]

To: Lexinom
Do you get the feeling, as I do, that maybe she hasn't spent a lot of time thinking about this issue being preoccupied with foreign affairs and the WOT?

It's possible, but still no excuse. A woman her age should have figured out whether a baby is a baby.

1,419 posted on 03/12/2005 4:14:38 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1418 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance

By your logic, we should not have used Stalin to help defeat Hitler.

Spitting in the eye of everyone who wants to go part of the way with you, just because they don't want to go all the way with you, loses the support you need to get the distance they would help you get otherwise.


1,420 posted on 03/12/2005 4:30:05 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Since Oct 9, 2000...Just a new, and soon to be changed nick - I forgot there was a Trinity, Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1405 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,381-1,4001,401-1,4201,421-1,440 ... 1,521-1,539 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson