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1 posted on 03/10/2005 5:51:34 AM PST by Crackingham
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May God have mercy on us all!
50 posted on 03/10/2005 6:27:11 AM PST by blues_guitarist (Black conservatives arise!)
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This is not exactly on the subject of the cross in San Diego...but it addresses the issue. I got this yesterday in an Email. I think it made the rounds before, but now I am going to start doing it, maybe others would also?

WRITE IT ON THE BACK OF YOUR ENVELOPES

You may have heard in the news that a couple of Post Offices in Texas have been forced to take down small posters that say "IN GOD WE TRUST," The law, they say, is being violated.

We must take back our nation from all the people who think that anything that offends them should be removed.

If you like this idea, please pass it on and DO IT ....The idea of writing or stamping "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our envelopes sounds good to me. I'M HAVING MY STAMP MADE TODAY!

It has been reported that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having "In God We Trust"on our money and having God in the pledge of Allegiance.

Could it be that WE just need to take action and tell the 14% to "sit down and shut up"?

53 posted on 03/10/2005 6:28:03 AM PST by CitizenM
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What will they replace it with? A crescent moon?

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54 posted on 03/10/2005 6:28:30 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: lonevoice

I grew up seeing that cross on Mt. Soledad. It became a landmark. This is just another sad day for our Judeo-Christian country. The 9th Circuit Court and the ACLU/atheists win another one. How is it that so few can dictate to so many in a Democracy? Keep voting in Republicans, folks; it is our best hope.


57 posted on 03/10/2005 6:32:31 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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This is really sad. I remember Roger Hedgecock mentioning this when he sat in for Rush once. I loved in San Diego in the early 80's. I fled back to the Midwest as soon as I could. I can't imagine the kind of kookburger I'd be today had I stayed there in my young and impressionable years!

I don't normally wear my cross necklace everyday (it's a treasured heirloom) but I put it on this morning, and I'll keep it on and keep the faith for the salvation of this monument from out here in The Heartland.

This is chilling because you know darn well that once this kind of cr@p starts on the coasts, it comes inland eventually. The scales have falled from my eyes and I'm finally starting to see so many examples of Christians being persecuted. It's making me heartsick.

And all the posters that said something to the effect that these people KNOW in their hearts that God exists are spot-on, IMHO.


58 posted on 03/10/2005 6:35:45 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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Somehow, it just doesn't seem right that a few selfish people like the ACLU are allowed to run over the majority.

It seems to me the ACLU along with Hollywood has done more to split this country into factions than any group other than the Democratic party.

The ACLU has as Mike Reagan says made themselves targets of hatred.

Under the disguise of helping the downtrodden they have weaseled their way into all areas of life.

The ACLU has certainly been successful in doing their job of fermenting hatred between groups.
59 posted on 03/10/2005 6:39:35 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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 I may get flamed for saying all this, but this topic really gets my Irish up.

At the rate this country is going, it appears that these atheists, ACLU types, or whatever else, will do everything in their power to eliminate anything in this country that is remotely religious in nature, and eventually these types will include churches or houses of worship simply because they are built in public view.
 
Why hasn't a single elected official or attorney fought on behalf of the historic artistic representations of a society that was built on faith by a people of faith?  Houses are saved for historical reference - why aren't statues, paintings, and symbols like the cross protected by our constitution?  An Indian burial mound gets at least that much respect.
 
About ten years ago, the ACLU investigated a local grade school here that had an original painting of Jesus hanging in its lobby.  They demanded its removal or they were going to sue the school - never mind that it was donated to the school and had been hanging there since 1957.  The school had no money for the courts, so the painting came down.  About five years ago a local community here was under attack by the ACLU because the drawing of a church was incorporated in the city's 150 year old seal.  The same results occurred.
 
For too long the ACLU-type  "tolerant" anti-religious zealots with hidden agendas have made intolerant demands on innocent people under the threat of using the courtrooms and law suits as blackmail to get their way.  It is obvious that they are trying to change history by stripping all religious crosses, statues, and paintings from public view.  That our elected officials and the courts support and cajole these idiots, and do not protect the majority of working taxpaying citizens - or respect historic works of art is a form of censorship, and  is an even greater travesty of justice. 
 
If your cross is forced to be removed, do you think for one minute that the ACLU-types would allow it to be displayed in a formal, public museum setting as a historic artifact?  I think not. The last I heard about the Alabama 2-ton Ten Commandments was that the supreme court demanded it be removed and it was placed in a basement somewhere out of public view.  (Kind of reminds you of what Hitler did in Europe, doesn't it?)
 
 No crosses in public view?  One can only guess that our national cemeteries will  the next  place of attack. 

Paintings, Crosses, Statues, Seals, Religious Symbols - THESE ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS - IT IS ART!  Paintings do not proselytize students. Statues, crosses and seals are artistic symbols of faith - they do not spew propaganda.  I cannot say the same for politicians, our local elected officials, the media in general, or most of the people I've run into over the years. 

It is 2005 and Christians are still being thrown to the lions.  
 


61 posted on 03/10/2005 6:40:10 AM PST by tomball
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...the state Constitution's guarantee of separation between church and state.

Is this clearly stated in the CA constitution just like it is in the US Constitution? </sarcasm>
66 posted on 03/10/2005 6:49:27 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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People can blame the ACLU, the city council or the Supreme Court. The truth is, the people are at fault. They could easily exert themselves and stop this from happening, but they won't. They don't care enough about this country, or their heritage to make a stand. If a judge ruled tomorrow that all people had 24 hours to turn in any guns they possessed, 85% would do so. If a few thousand citizens would surround this cross and refuse to let it be torn down, it would stay. The left would put someone on the thing, and bring them food and blankets till eternity ends, the right will complain and try to finagle the system.......just like the Republicans in DC.


67 posted on 03/10/2005 6:50:49 AM PST by jeremiah (Either take the gloves off of our troops, or let them come home NOW)
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May Earl Warren receive his just reward.
73 posted on 03/10/2005 7:00:09 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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It's time for some civil disobedience to save this war memorial.


74 posted on 03/10/2005 7:03:35 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


So unless I am reading this wrong...the Government is not supposed to make any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So basically, forcing a removal of religous emblems is in effect making a law, as rulings of the courts are effectively laws, and the ruling is un-constitutional. Now I am sure there are legal precedences etc. in other decisions that further define what the judges have to say about the First Ammendment...but if you just read the text, it seems pretty clear. Govt. keeps their hands off religions and doesn't establish it's own.


78 posted on 03/10/2005 7:18:38 AM PST by KurtAZ (So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won't get away)
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Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at ?. .

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96

Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97

Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97

West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97

Stamps, Arkansas 12/15/97

Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98

Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98

Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98

Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98

Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98

Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99

Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99

Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99

Deming, New Mexico 11/19/99

Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99

Santee, California 3/5/01 and

El Cajon, California 3/22/01?

Sincerely,

Concerned Student




Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God




How did this get started?...




Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools.

And we said, OK...




Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school, the Bible that says "thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbors as yourself,"

And we said, OK...




Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave

because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem.

And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we won't spank them anymore..




Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children

when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued.

And we accepted their reasoning...




Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents.

And we said, that's a grand idea...




Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're

going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school.

And we said, that's another great idea...




Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs.

And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including the President, does in private as long as we have jobs and the economy is good...




And someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the Internet.

And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech....




And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...

And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead...




Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, classmates or even themselves.




Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a great deal to do with...

"WE REAP WHAT WE SOW,"


79 posted on 03/10/2005 7:19:09 AM PST by Gaetano
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As a San Diego Resident I'm Apalled! I thought we might be the last City with some Moral Sense!


81 posted on 03/10/2005 7:23:09 AM PST by missyme (The Cosmic Effect of some Freepers...)
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Incredible.

One has to wonder whether a monument associated with islam, buddism or any other religion would have been torn down as well.
83 posted on 03/10/2005 7:31:31 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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Apparently, the thought process of some (or, most?) atheists is: See no God, hear no God, therefore No God. Are they really so simple-minded as that?


85 posted on 03/10/2005 7:33:05 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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We need to recall the entire city council.


89 posted on 03/10/2005 7:41:02 AM PST by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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The answer is ... for those who are stalwart ... to replace the cross in another area, then another area , then another area ... well, you get the point.

There is more than one way to inflict pain and suffering to the dracula's that retreat from the sign of the cross.

Or ... you can just let them suck your blood.

In either case ... whining isn't the answer.

96 posted on 03/10/2005 7:58:55 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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Now that the city has removed their christian heritage

Why Not Change the City's name?

Maybe they would like San Satan? or San Athiest?

Every Christian curch leader should Call for the congregation to boycott All business within the city Limits
or organise recalls for every City Elected person.

Or better Yet pool their money and build a private park on another Hilltop with an even Bigger and taller Cross and light it up every night and Hold weekly celebrations at the hilltop. in fact they could buy up 10 or twenty high points and set up crosses all over san Diego!!! get in the guiness Book of World records...white crosses everywhere.

every time they take one down...put up ten more..then start painting crosses everywhere like graffiti!!!! and start on all Govt Buildings? and paint crosses on Govt. Vehicles and on the lawns of govt officials.

Take it to the Streets!!!!

go back to the hilltop where the cross was and erect one every year at a different time..do it so much that there is a cross there more times than there is not.!!!!

and put crosses in the front yards of Christian's homes, start a tradition of doing it every Sunday.

Make the athiest God-haters sorry they ever took that cross down.


99 posted on 03/10/2005 8:04:10 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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Why doesn't someone just go up there and burn it; a final irony.


101 posted on 03/10/2005 8:10:31 AM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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