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Three Big Disagreements With Libertarians
Citizens Outreach ^ | 27FEB05 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 02/27/2005 2:55:24 PM PST by 82Marine89

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To: DugwayDuke

Do the (L)'s want to privatize the military too?


41 posted on 02/27/2005 3:45:02 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: ozarkgirl

It hit me with a big, blazing CONSERVATIVE.


42 posted on 02/27/2005 3:45:02 PM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: k2blader

Uh....yeah....but they're pulling libertarian votes away.


43 posted on 02/27/2005 3:45:10 PM PST by jess35
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

...& you never beat your wife, correct?

Lissen: it's time for those who support the RE-legalization of drugs to quit being afraid of that old canard that the Drug Warriors always put out: that anyone who opposes the Drug War MUST be on drugs themselves. Supporting re-legalization is nothing to be ashamed about, & it is still legal (@ the present day) to have these convictions.


44 posted on 02/27/2005 3:45:45 PM PST by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: jess35

Are you a Libertarian?


45 posted on 02/27/2005 3:45:45 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: 82Marine89

They seem to have forgotten the legalizing pot issue.

That has become the biggest think associated with the LP, and by no accident. It's too minor of an issue to be made the crux of a political party, but it seems to have become their flagship issue anyway.


46 posted on 02/27/2005 3:48:11 PM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: DannyTN
There are no indication that prohibition drives the demand up. Places that have legalized have seen an increase in usage.

Lets approach this in order that you presented your statements. To the first statement, that prohibition doesn't drive demand up, may I offer this from the CATO institutite. People drank MORE during Prohibition than every before. Just like High School, drinking was 'the fun thing' to do. Forbidden fruit and all that. It's just human nature to want to do what you are forbidden to do.

It should be noted that annual per capita consumption and the percentage of annual per capita income spent on alcohol had been steadily falling before Prohibition and that annual spending on alcohol during Prohibition was greater than it had been before Prohibition.[4] Alcohol Probition: Alcohol Consumption

To your second point, that places that have legalized drug use have seen increased usage. And this is a surprize? Given a choice of smoking pot (hashish, LSD, cocaine, ect.) at place 'A' and going to jail, paying inflated prices, and having the product cut with plaster of paris, baby formula, confectioner's sugar, or only God knows what. Or one could go to place 'B' with no risk of jail, reasonable prices and garanteed quality. If you shoot powdered concrete into your veins, chances are that the cutting agent will do MORE damage to your organs than the drug alone.

Drugs have been with mankind for centuries. Prohibition creates even more potent drugs, which increase the 'bang' for the buck. Examples are Everclear and other 'mixers'. In the WoD, we now have Crack and a host of new 'designer' drugs; that would likely never have come into creation if it were not for Prohibition. Because some percentage of 'product' is caught, the dealers are investing millions in making more potent and addictive drugs, that are far more condensed and easy to transport. Why ship 50 tons of Pot on a cargo ship, when I can ship the same profit line in the back of a pickup?

47 posted on 02/27/2005 3:48:32 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 82Marine89

I'm talking about having much of an effect on changing FOP policy as a whole...making it the party of smaller government that it USED to be.


48 posted on 02/27/2005 3:49:10 PM PST by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: libertyman

I never said otherewise.... And I don't beat my wife. If I tried, she'd kick the you know what out of me. 8>)


49 posted on 02/27/2005 3:49:26 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: k2blader

As in "a member of the libertarian party"? No...they've lost their way and forgotten that time isn't static. Any good philosophy matures and adapts to the times we live in. The democrats were extremely sucessful with that until they decided to alienate the entire Southern United States. The Republicans used to be stuck in a time warp but now they've realized they can either move on or become irrelvant. The libertarians have actually moved backward in time...a recipe for political suicide.


50 posted on 02/27/2005 3:50:04 PM PST by jess35
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To: 82Marine89
I voted libertarian in the '02 congressional race, 'cuse no 'pub was running. We share some common goals.

However, I have no love for (L)ibertarians in general. They come here, requesting fellowship and claim common bondage. Yet their votes in Wisconsin and Washington cost two Republicans Senators the race. A pox on Losertarians.

51 posted on 02/27/2005 3:50:27 PM PST by Drango (Freepmail me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: 82Marine89

Same here....well, sorta: that's why I'm a CONSTITUTIONIST, neither a conservative nor a Republican.


52 posted on 02/27/2005 3:53:05 PM PST by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: Drango

You forget their blatant attempts to have every immigration thread moved to the Smoky Backroom by inciting flame wars.


53 posted on 02/27/2005 3:53:15 PM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: thoughtomator
tossed away in favor of an absolutist perversion of derived principle.

Nice...way to put it.

54 posted on 02/27/2005 3:53:31 PM PST by Osage Orange (I'm a man, I can change, if I want to...Maybe.)
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To: jess35

Ah, okay, thanks, just curious. I don't disagree with your #50. I generally agree with Michael Savage that (paraphrased) the Republicans of today are like the Democrats of yesterday...


55 posted on 02/27/2005 3:53:55 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: 82Marine89

Oh, those aren't Libertarians. They are largely pro-amnesty Republicans.


56 posted on 02/27/2005 3:55:02 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: libertyman

If the GOP is not careful, there will be a split in the party. Conservatives, Constitutionists, and Federalists will form their own party.


57 posted on 02/27/2005 3:55:09 PM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
It's the second issue -- foreign policy -- that makes me a libertarian Republican, instead of a Libertarian Party member.

It is why I turned in my card (figuratively speaking) November 2001. I was having trouble with the abortion issue but there were enough Libertarians for Life who believed as I do that the child was a human and therefore was entitled to live that I honestly thought that we might even have a shot at changing the platform.

But I refuse to cower before terrorists.

58 posted on 02/27/2005 3:59:31 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: Hodar
The CATO institute is hardly an unbiased source.

Look here for a number of statistics that showed alcohol consumption was down with a number of very positive results.

Prohibition results

Again, it doesn't matter. You have to draw the line somewhere to keep hard drugs off the market, so there will ALWAYS be a war on drugs. It's just a matter of where you draw the line.

59 posted on 02/27/2005 4:02:55 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
My POV on drugs was always "let the states decide".

I see no reason for the federal government to be involved in the issue.

The states should be allowed to draw the line where they please.

60 posted on 02/27/2005 4:03:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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