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Libertarians Seeking 'True Conservatives'
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Posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Libertarians Seeking 'True Conservatives'

By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
February 24, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- The Libertarian Party says its representatives were "very well received" by conservatives at a recent conference in Washington.

"We met a lot of people who are either supportive of our ideas or who simply support having an alternative to the big-government ideal put forward by the Republicans and Democrats," said Sam New, who organized the Libertarian Party's activities at the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference in Washington.

The Libertarian Party was a first-time cosponsor of the Feb. 17-19 CPAC Conference, and its involvement was a "big step forward" for the Party, said Executive Director Joe Seehusen in a report on the group's website.

"Our profile has been low for some time, and we were able to showcase our party in a positive light to many people and groups, including a large number of students and small business owners."

Seehusen, who considers President George W. Bush a socialist, said the Libertarians' support for limited government and appreciation for individual rights strikes a cord with many people who call themselves Republicans or conservatives.

"Many of them stopped by our booth to learn more," which is exactly why the Libertarians decided to take part in CPAC this year, he said.

The Libertarians believe they can appeal to "true conservatives" (as opposed to "big-government neo-conservatives") on a number of issues.

"By taking part in this CPAC conference, we hope to show that Libertarians are the true fiscal conservatives -- much more so than the Republicans are," Seehusen said on the Libertarian website.

He said the party is studying how successful groups market themselves, so the Libertarian Party "can more effectively reach out to conservatives" in the future.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: conservative; conservativism; cpac; libertarian; lp; republican
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To: frgoff
"Bork argues that the second amendment can be interpreted either way, and he's correct."

I believe the only federal court that stated the second amendment protected an individual right was the recent 5th Circuit decision in Emerson.

Every other lower court ruling either said is was either some "collective" right or the right of a militia.

161 posted on 02/24/2005 10:09:31 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: steve-b
"Nope. If that were true, there would have been no Eighteenth Amendment (an ordinary federal statute would have sufficed)."

Yep, an ordinary federal statute would have sufficed. The 18th amendment was not required, but the temperance reformers thought it would be harder to change.

162 posted on 02/24/2005 10:14:07 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Cultural Jihad
It is perfectly valid for the people of a society to mandate the avoidance of another individual, or a weapon, or any number of things.

OK, Sara.

163 posted on 02/24/2005 10:24:14 AM PST by jmc813 (Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
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To: robertpaulsen
Yep, an ordinary federal statute would have sufficed. The 18th amendment was not required, but the temperance reformers thought it would be harder to change.

You have been trying to sell that steaming pile for months. It was BS then, it's still BS, and when you tell that fairy tale next week, it will be BS than as well.

164 posted on 02/24/2005 10:24:19 AM PST by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: numberonepal
"Morals come into play when more than one person is involved."

You are correct in that morality is determined by one's culture, which is, technically, more than one person. But if you are from a culture that deems an act immoral, I would think that your doing that act is immoral if you are with a group or if you're alone on an island.

But we were talking about virtue. There are Seven Cardinal Virtues offset by Seven Deadly Sins. Those exist with or without a culture. Those are individual.

165 posted on 02/24/2005 10:34:07 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Happy2BMe

Conservatism wouldn't be having an identity crisis if it weren't for the Big Government GOP being in charge.

Evidently the era of big government isn't over.


166 posted on 02/24/2005 10:35:58 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Warning: Not being an open-borders RINO can be dangerous to your FR health.)
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To: frgoff
That being said, there is still nothing wrong with a self-governing people enacting moral issues into law.

With the inevitable trampling of rights of the minority. Iran's leadership is in power at the will of the people, would you like to go live there and preach Christianity? Problem is that's considered immoral to them, so you'd be jailed.

167 posted on 02/24/2005 10:37:45 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Annie03; AntiBurr; Baby Bear; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; BroncosFan; Capitalism2003; dAnconia; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
168 posted on 02/24/2005 10:39:25 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: robertpaulsen
I believe that the will of people should be expressed through their elected representatives. I believe that their elected representatives should heed the will of their constituents, and pass legislation reflecting their desires.

Thus the two wolves and a sheep metaphor I used earlier. There have to be stringent limits on what the people can accomplish through legislation, and I don't believe morality matters should be legislated, as definitions of morality differ widely even within the same religion.

169 posted on 02/24/2005 10:40:23 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: StoneColdGOP

" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04


170 posted on 02/24/2005 10:44:39 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: steve-b
"So you are guided by the Rousseauean political philosophy."

Actually, I'm guided by the Robertpaulseauean political philosophy.

This philosophy regards as nonsense the utterances of posters whose names start with the letter "s".

171 posted on 02/24/2005 10:44:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Actually, I'm guided by the Robertpaulseauean political philosophy.

A picture is worth a thousand words.


172 posted on 02/24/2005 10:47:39 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: steve-b
All you have to do to rebut is to name three things that you yourself routinely enjoy that you advocate prohibiting by force of law.

I personally can't think of anything. But I can think of a lot of things I personally do not enjoy, nor wish to be involved with, that should not be prohibited. I think this is related to the concept of "Freedom of speech is worth nothing if you won't protect speech you don't like."

173 posted on 02/24/2005 10:49:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Capitalism2003
Conservatism in the Republican party died with Ronald Reagan.

What a foolish thing to say. Every argument that Reagan used is still available--only the justification for his ideas has grown even stronger. Indeed, as more and more of the chickens, from the Clinton/Bush 2 era, come home to roost, the need for a Reagan or someone even more Conservative, will become even clearer.

While it is true that the demographics are deteriorating--precisely because of the folly of Clinton/Bush 2--that may be offset by the realization of that very deterioration. Rooted America may yet wake up! It is ridiculous that at a time when almost every intelligent person on earth, at last realizes the merits of the traditional American market economy, that even at home, we are losing our insights into other social and political concepts; concepts driven by the same natural factors that make the market economy work.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

174 posted on 02/24/2005 10:52:25 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: frgoff
The illegality of drugs has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with their destructive effects on society. Until you've seen 13 year old girls whoring themselves for a hit, mothers trading their food stamps for pot and crack while their babies lie naked in their own filth

The illegality of drugs makes the prices artifically high, making it very expensive to support a habit. There's an easy connection.

175 posted on 02/24/2005 10:54:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: RockinRight

Felons can vote and bear arms again. They need only petition their governors for the right.

Under no circumstances, however, should restoration of voting or 2nd amendment rights be automatic. By committing a crime, the felon forfeited society's trust and it is his job earn it back.
And a two-time loser should never, EVER get his rights back.


176 posted on 02/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: robertpaulsen
I believe that their elected representatives should heed the will of their constituents, and pass legislation reflecting their desires.

Slavery was an example of this evil theory.


177 posted on 02/24/2005 10:56:33 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: 54-46 Was My Number
We do have laws against public intoxication. An individual who abuses alcohol is no different, morally, from a drug user.

But alcohol is used for many reasons in our society other than getting drunk. Drugs are used to get high. For that reason, drug use is considered immoral.

But, but, but, robertpaulsen, I know many people who use drugs responsibly -- just to relax.

Yeah, right. People go through extraordinary measures to get their drug of choice, paying a premium inflated price in most cases, risking arrest, publicity, loss of their vehicle, home, job, family, and friends -- and they do this "just to relax, that's all".

You sell bridges, too?

178 posted on 02/24/2005 10:57:11 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Little Ray

Makes sense to me.


179 posted on 02/24/2005 10:57:41 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Ohioan
Every argument that Reagan used is still available--only the justification for his ideas has grown even stronger.

Ronald Reagan said famously, "government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem,"

180 posted on 02/24/2005 10:58:51 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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