Posted on 02/23/2005 12:43:51 PM PST by mhking
​ ​​​​Forsake The Troops started off as Citizens Against the Troops, an organization founded in the Summer of 2004. We currently have fifteen members in our organization, spanning all across this country. Our founder, and leader's name is Scott Vogel, who currently resides in Southern New Jersey. Other members have their bios available as well. To view those, click here.
Our position is that as it stands currently, the compensation, benefit, and retirement packages that our active duty and retired military personnel get is outrageous, and undeserved. The American taxpayer is supporting the military enlistee, when said person made the decision to become a walking, talking target for Uncle Sam, and "Yuk Yuk" Bush. They made the choice to leech off of the American taxpayer, therefore we must do our part as taxpayers to recoup our funds, or at the very least stop this obscene abuse of our taxes.
Our intention is not to inspire, suggest, or joke about violence towards the military; rather, our goal is to eventually approach Congress about completely revamping the military pay structure. Despite common opinion, we are not a hate group, that we do not condone acts of violence, or any illegal acts towards military facilities or personnel.
Has anyone else spotted that Scott and "Bringeroftruth" are *distant* cousins according to the biographical info posted? So Scotty-boy's SISTER Laura got knocked up by her COUSIN? South Jersey -- it's a whole other state-of-mind!
Good,
Words have meaning. To often people say things when anonymous which they never would if they were “On the record”. They said it, they can live with it.
Red6
You JUST beat me to it! :-)
Is what you wrote like a map to the email and actual address/names to those punks running that site?
Info on who registered this site (hiding behind WhoisGuard)
When site registered: Created On:12-Feb-2005 18:21:00 UTC
IP address, domain host, etc... Cowards are hiding behind WhoisGuard.
Trying to run skip trace now to find out who these clowns are and if any reports of individuals in military uniforms going to service member families where they are.
And, gee, he has all of fifteen members "all across the country". They just blanket the US (NOT). What a simpleton.
People want an all volunteer army, but want volunteers without benefits--ain't gonna happen.
vaudine
:)
You're dedicated!
Red6
In the same vein, check out this rant from our DUmmiie buddies:
The United States of War
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 02:16 PM by MrScorpio
Welcome to the National Security State, the global arbiter of perpetual war, police state tactics and the militarization of society on all levels. It's a place where the state religion hawks Jesus wearing an Uncle Sam hat, driving a gas guzzling Humvee with little plastic flags attached to the door and a gay couple, recently married in the People's Republic Taxechusettes, dragged behind in chains that are attached to the rear bumper.
The National Meal is a fat laden, high calorie, low nutrition blob of dead, imported cow flesh, made possible courtesy of the patent protected products of Big Pharma and the destruction of the Amazon River Basin. Just the thing to feed the teaming masses of bloated and lethargic teenagers who have not yet found their proper place in the ranks of cannon fodder slated to fight future "preemptive" wars for their Neocon masters.
The National Anthem is an overblown ode to teenage sexualization and wretched excess, visualized by bright colors, wiggling flesh and flashy montages. It's a really catchy tune that's proud and swaggering, as it espouses the inferiority of older and more developed cultures that have done nothing more than to be the receded and ancient roots to our own bright and shining tree.
The National Pastime is electronically manipulated violence brought to you courtesy of the computer gaming technicians of the United States Army, their cousins who are the overworked and underpaid wizards of Silicon Valley and the monied patrons of Hollywood special FX technicians. The prerequisite for this orgiastic ballet of mayhem is that it's brought to you without context or consequence and that the display of gore is as cartoonish as humanly possible and devoid of any resemblance to the poison of stomach churning reality.
The dollar is a shiny new sedan that the drives directly from Wall Street to party at the Pentagon. Fact is mutated so much by the mainstream media, that by the time it becomes "information that you can use", it's devoid of the truth. Propaganda is the mantra of government and its supplicants are paid handsomely with the current coin of the realm, access to the throne and filthy, taxpayer supported lucre. Whores are dressed up and propped up to cry foul against their masters' enemies and when they're discovered, the collared lapdogs of the honored press are given a tug of the leash and told to heel. Only the untagged watchdogs of the blogasphere are free to bark loudly and intently at such a shameful display of hypocrisy decorated in almost comic proportions. Unfortunately, that's when we all hear cries from the peanut gallery to have them licensed.
True citizens are not Black, Asian, Latino, immigrant, Native American, gay, old, overweight, poor, Muslim, Jewish, Northern, Eastern, Western, Catholic, French speaking, Spanish speaking, Bush questioning, anti-war, pro-peace, diplomatic, pro independent press, intelligent, remorseful, sympathetic, non-violent, tolerant or thinking. We react... violently. Oh, yeah and we let loose with both barrels in the direction that our fearless, all-hatted, no-cattled, twang-laden master of the malapropism tells us to. Get behind him, Boys. Just as any true Amur-i-can should.
Despite a non-stop onslaught of lies, at a pace and substance never before shoveled at us by a sitting president, the masses remain stuck like flies to flypaper to the backside of a man, most unqualified ever, to be the top-dog for all of so-called western civilization. Well maybe, or maybe not, depending on how warped your point of view is. What is that cartoon of a man, George W. Bush, but a sick reminder that, as a country we have some serious mental issues to deal with. We're addicted to this sickness, this fantasy land of flag waving lies and turban decorated boogie men lurking behind grandma's closet door with a baseball bat, ready to take her life savings hidden in the mattress. It's not to say that the entire country is off its rocker. All one has to do is witness the largest outpourings of righteous outrage against the acts and policies of madmen and the atrocities of our tow headed sons and daughters that were sent into the bloodied field of battle on a stream of never ending lies and convenient excuses. It's a validation that some of us still have some sense.
At least half the country has bought a clue and not spent the grocery money on the tasty and addictive kool-aid of our Alien Lizard Masters who run rampant through the hallowed halls of government. But what is Bush, but a symptom of our times? The culmination of a generation of empire building, of political polarization, of social arrogance, of cultural disdain, of validation of violence, of disregard of the intelligentsia and of militarization of the populace on all levels. Not all of us has bought into this diseased spiral of logic, but the spin cycle is taking us all down with it.
We're priming ourselves for a collapse of the highest order. We've replaced the pillars of our democracy with a hollow framework of political capital grubbing. Our society has replaced the need to promote the general welfare with the need to promote generals that are ordered to see to the welfare of the spear. Keep it nice and shiny, boys. You never know who we have to stick it to the next time, but stick it you will. Nothing is more important than that spear, we're told. The spear is the end all and be all. Where ever the spear goes, it goes to do no wrong. The pointer of the spear, guided by the all-mighty hand of God himself stands tall and the rubes feel a little tighter in their jeans... that's the swelling of pride by the way. And no dirty, unpatriotic peacenik is going to take it way from them. It's what we live for as a beacon of feedom, right? Brook all sacrifices and lay our children on the altar of war, telling the nay-sayers that they have no right other than to follow their twisted example.
Don't pay attention to that crumbling sound, Lee Greenwood is singing.
Despite the worst of our sad natures coming to bite us all in the ass at this late date, there is an alternative. It's called sanity. At some point, a significant number of people are going to end up facing a brick wall and wonder how they got there after being guided to it by there favorite son, the knuckle-head in chief. I'm not talking about the dyed in the marrow true believers. I'm only talking about the merely misguided. The ones who'll wake up and step slowly away from the kool-aid bowl. Be they in one political party or the other, they have but no other choice but to realize that they've been sold a bill of rancid goods. That's the weakness of Bush, his house is built on lies and has a limited shelf life. The mere fact that he was handed on a silver platter the very staff of incompetent yes men he begged for all but assures his very downfall. When most people realize that they've been had, they start changing their ways.
Although, those who actually opposed him did all they could to stop his mad race to the land of fascism, little do they know that Bush himself will do their job for them. The seeds to Bush's collapse lies in his own stubbornness, or his hubris if you will, as well as his convoluted strategy to engage the support of diametrically opposed camps; the freewheeling ruling business class and the sociologically repressed evangelical proles. Both sides are asking for their piece of the action now and expect to be rewarded for their fealty to the King. Somebody, however, is going to be sorely disappointed.
His plans of conquest will yield bitter fruit, harvested by the bloodied victims, disillusioned returning troops and their outraged mothers. That's where the battles will be fought. Expect lots of blood, people. In all of this melee, the biggest failures will occur. Failures so ugly, that they will do nothing less than tear at the very heart of our society. There will be wars abroad and wars at home over the wars abroad. Now at this point, Bush's very nature to never admit guilt or own up to his responsibilities, the encirclement of his loyal yet unscrupulous followers and the lack of a willingness by a previously co-opted press whoredom whipped into shape by the vociferous power of blogdom will create the formula for his demise.
It's going to be ugly and heads will roll. But in the end, it's going to be ugly enough for those who have stopped drinking the kool-aid to realize their predicament. These few, if grabbed and brought into the side of a viable and organized left will form the margin needed to make the change from current insanity back to some semblance of respectability. It's going the be a hard fall, yet the left needs to figure out how the be a soft cushion. It's a start, and there will be tons of important work to be done afterwards. But without us taking these refugees from insanity close to our collective bosoms and making them our allies, there is no way that we can revert this country from the United States of War back to the United States of America.
The time to prepare is now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3158779
I was thinking that too -- but then I thought about all the great Freepers who are from Arkansas, yet seemingly have managed to avoid the great temptation to bed cousin Ella-Sue or Jimmy-Earl. The theme from "Deliverance" is, however, running through my mind as I type....
You're dedicated!
Read yesterday where people were dressing up in military uniforms going to the houses of family of soldiers in Iraq and telling them that their loved one has died causing them more grief than anyone should have to endure. I am all for free speech, but this garbage is seditious and these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. People doing it has to be anarchists or rogue nutjobs like these.
How about this? We tell all '15' members they have won a contest. Lets give them one way tickets to some obscure third world country. In 20 years, we can revisit them and see what their opinion of the USA is then.
Nope. The creep is a native of Southern New Jersey. The producer is a native New Yorker. I doubt the creep would even understand a movie like Pi.
You've never been to South Jersey, have you? Not places like the shore, or Atlantic City, or the outskirts of Philly. But the real South Jersey. In most places, you can almost hear the banjos playing.
And because of people like you, your uncle's fears will never be realized...people remained quiet during Viet Nam. I don't see that happening again.
BTW, Hug your uncle for me Star and thank him for his service.
I doubt he would understand a movie like "Piglett's Big Adventure."
Scott Vogel, proprietor of this feces stain, seems not to be above a little censorship himself. His guestbook wouldn't accept the following message:
From: Liberal advocate
Address the root cause of the Vogels' anger! Legalize drugs and prostitution!
I also tried to thank him and his sister for helping to re-elect President Bush, but that wouldn't take either.
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