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This is an outrageous increase and this is what happens with liberals like Mike Bloomberg in power.

This increase punishes people for wroking hard to reclaim rundown properties and make them nicer. It punishes people for upgrading the neighborhood. That is a silly, counterproductive policy that serves only to keep poor neighborhoods poor longer.

That may well be by design, as we know liberals profit from other people's misery.

1 posted on 02/21/2005 9:03:54 PM PST by TBP
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Thank you Mayor Mike! Now all the "brownstoners" will simply cash out and start fixing up similar properties in Jersey City.


2 posted on 02/21/2005 9:05:44 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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Didn't Bloomberg only switch to the GOP because he couldn't win the Democratic primary? So this is no surprise at all.


3 posted on 02/21/2005 9:06:37 PM PST by Aetius
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Yikes, $2K/month in property taxes is insane.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 9:09:11 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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I'm looking at this from the other side. Any landlord in the city of New York who pays $4,100 in taxes on a four-family apartment building is shafting the other taxpayers of the city (including me) in a big way. Just think of all the public services these families use in New York (including 40,000 police officers, the best fire department in the nation, the most expensive school system, etc,) -- and ask yourself who the hell is supposed to pay for it if the people who live in the city don't.


5 posted on 02/21/2005 9:10:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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Anyone that choses to live in that crime-ridden, liberal ruled helhole gets what they asked for.

Don't like it? Move to a red state.


16 posted on 02/21/2005 9:21:53 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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The woman was on Hannity. He asked if this has made her more Republican. She said no. My sympathy level dropped significantly.


17 posted on 02/21/2005 9:21:58 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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I have this strange picture in my head of a character whose visage is a cross between that of Scrooge McDuck and the Parker Brothers' Millionaire sitting in the middle of a bleak block in downtown New York City throwing little green houses and red hotels in the air while kicking huge piles of Monopoly money with both of his spat-clad feet while the hydrants drip droplets of rusty water on the dust in the deserted streets.


22 posted on 02/21/2005 9:35:20 PM PST by Old Professer (As truth and fiction blend in the Mixmaster of History almost any sauce can be made palatable.)
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The notice indicated that the taxes on their 19-foot-wide house, only $4,100 when they bought it, would be going up in July to about $23,600, a fivefold increase of $19,000 -

ROTLOL!!

Communist apparatchiks in NYC government always inventing new ways to confiscate property.

Anybody who still lives in NYC ought to have his head examined.

27 posted on 02/21/2005 9:40:41 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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A cautionary tale on would-be Carleton Sheets up in Harlem.


31 posted on 02/21/2005 9:45:48 PM PST by montag813
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"We are panicked and we can't afford it, and if we sell, the price will be lower because of all the taxes," Ms. Hill said. "We are being punished for fixing up the building and trying to improve the neighborhood."

Yep. It is a myth that we pay low taxes here in NYC. IT will also make destroy the value of real estate, since the real costs are always the taxes and maintenance fees.


42 posted on 02/21/2005 10:29:16 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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2k a month is taxes along ? It won't be long now, this country is going to implode on itself. And, bigger is not better, we shall soon find out how true that statement is.


47 posted on 02/21/2005 10:42:22 PM PST by John Lenin
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They vote the politicians in, they get the taxes they deserve. What can you say?


48 posted on 02/21/2005 10:47:42 PM PST by lotusblos
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"We are being punished for fixing up the building and trying to improve the neighborhood."

Of course. No good dead goes unpunished.

50 posted on 02/21/2005 10:50:45 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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Admittedly, I did not review this in detail, but I saw the woman on H&C last night. She said they paid $850k for the property and put $60k plus their labor into it.

A tax of $23,000 on something probably worth about $900k is about 2.6%, which is probably not unreasonably for a super-high tax area.

My question is why the taxes were low to begin with.


68 posted on 02/22/2005 5:12:57 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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Where do you think the $60,000 construction "fund" this "actress" used (after a bank turned down her mortgage) came from? Use $60k in public funds to renovate and then bitch about the taxes? Beautiful.

And, what should the taxes be on a million dollar, income producing property?

69 posted on 02/22/2005 5:20:45 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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This is just a surcharge for the privelege of living in Harlem and accessing their diversity.


70 posted on 02/22/2005 5:24:35 AM PST by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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No one owns their house. Ever. The government owns all real estate in America.

Remembering this makes the buy vs. rent equation a lot easier to untangle, especially in areas like New York and California where prices have run way ahead of rents and your monthly mortgage/tax/insurance bill comes out to about twice the rental rate. As long as the government favors renters and punishes owners, the answer is easy.

And as for the old saw about making your landlord rich...well, today buying in an overheated, liberal-governed market, just makes some mortgage broker (and worse, some local government) twice as rich. Rent, stay flexible, buy investment property when appropriate, and don't be fooled by all this "American Dream" nonsense. It's the greatest method ever devised for parting fools from their money. ;)

76 posted on 02/22/2005 7:04:36 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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This is an outrageous increase and this is what happens with liberals like Mike Bloomberg in power.

Blame Bloomberg all you want, but the scheme for taxing real property in NYC comes not from Bloomberg, but from state statute passed years ago in Albany. Perhaps Bloomberg is guilty for enforcing the law as written, and perhaps the best way to change bad law is to experience the harsh reality of the law when enforced.

With that said, residential real property tax rates in NYC are relatively low compared to what we pay in the burbs with limited services. Read the real estate section in Saturday's New York Post or Sunday's New York Slimes, and you will see real property taxes in the $2,000 to $6,000 range on properties selling from $500,000 to $3 million in some of the hottest neighborhoods in NYC. Compare that to the burbs where we pay $10,000 or more on properties selling at $500,000, and NYC taxes are a bargain. Oh, and BTW, the $10,000 a year that we pay in the suburbs buys us a part-time volunteer fire department, an overweight, underworked, and totally unnecessary police department, and some of the worse public schools in the country. And on top of the $10,000 per year, we still have to pay for our own sanitation and private school tuition,

77 posted on 02/22/2005 7:31:24 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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How much you wanna bet that this "model and actress" and her "ballroom dancing instructor" husband vote Democrat? Or the other New York urbanites who are suddenly getting (even more) taxed into oblivion? And now what? They move out and infect some other place? I just hope they stay out of Pennsylvania - - we got enough scumbags here as it is, thank you.


82 posted on 02/22/2005 8:04:37 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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My problem with property taxes is this:

Say I move into a house that I buy for $200,000, with an annual property tax of $4,000. It is a single-family home. I then put a deck on the back, maybe redo the kitchen. The local municipality comes along, reassesses it, and tells me my taxes will now be $6,000. Why? How is the increase justified? My house does not cost the town one extra penny, I have placed no additional burden on it.

The answer, of course, is that the government basically assumes that if you can afford to improve your property, then you can afford to give them a bit more "protection" money. But this ignores the fact that I am already punished whenever my income goes up by having to pay more in income tax.

Taxation as it stands today is a twisted mess.

84 posted on 02/22/2005 8:08:33 AM PST by Sicon
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