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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: ValerieUSA

No. You need to post with more intellectual honesty.


401 posted on 02/20/2005 6:26:45 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader

But not just VALID, the most prevalent too~!


402 posted on 02/20/2005 6:26:50 PM PST by Neets
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To: Neets

I did not assert that. Nice try.


403 posted on 02/20/2005 6:27:04 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Judith Anne



Sweeping statements? Many people on this thread AGREED with me.







404 posted on 02/20/2005 6:27:21 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I agree with you. To only go to college to get an MRS, (or to party) is a huge waste of time and of money. My oldest is looking at schools and the amount of time, energy and money the entire process is going to require...let's just say that if it were only about or even mainly about doing something that she could do at home for free (like find a husband) I would not be happy.
If she finds someone to spend her life with in the process of school---excellent, but to only go to school to find a husband--that is pathetic. If someone else wants to do that--fine, but not on my dime.
405 posted on 02/20/2005 6:27:27 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Have you ever seen Mona Lisa Smile?

Nope! I try to avoid Julia Roberts. Is it relevant?

406 posted on 02/20/2005 6:28:09 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Neets

So far, the only response I'm getting is, "No, I didn't say that," when it's right there on the dang screen! Gah...


407 posted on 02/20/2005 6:28:24 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: ValerieUSA

You didn't?

Well then you sure have a "FEW" of us here fooled, or confused.

What WAS your assertion?

How many people to you think go to college for reasons other than parties and socialization?


408 posted on 02/20/2005 6:28:59 PM PST by Neets
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To: Neets

Yes, I think.
I think that when there are millions of college students, even 5% of the total is a lot of people without being most of them. Which is why I said "a lot" and not "most".


409 posted on 02/20/2005 6:29:22 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: k2blader

I got a "nice try".

Go figure!


410 posted on 02/20/2005 6:29:32 PM PST by Neets
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To: Judith Anne
College is an institute for higher learning. What a waste of money if a woman enrolls for the sole purpose of meeting a man. The Purpose of college is to broaden your horizons and expand your mind.

If you happen to meet a husband at college thats wonderful. But it shouldn't be any woman's sole goal.
411 posted on 02/20/2005 6:29:59 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: ValerieUSA

HAHA!! Oh my goodness..

Ok Valerie, if that is how you define "a lot".


412 posted on 02/20/2005 6:30:20 PM PST by Neets
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To: Neets

How could I possibly know how many? It would be silly for me to ASSERT any such number. It's really silly of you to ask.


413 posted on 02/20/2005 6:30:39 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Dianna
Mona Lisa Smile is so relevant to this discussion.
414 posted on 02/20/2005 6:31:32 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
If you happen to meet a husband at college thats wonderful. But it shouldn't be any woman's sole goal.

Again I ask, who are you to judge such a thing for everyone? Isn't it up to each woman to decide?

415 posted on 02/20/2005 6:32:37 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

Do yourself a favor and change your assertion to "a number of", and that should get you off the hook.


416 posted on 02/20/2005 6:32:53 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The Purpose of college is to broaden your horizons and expand your mind.

But, it doesn't matter if a WIFE is narrow-minded with no horizons? Most men I know want a wife who is educated, and are proud of that. If your aim is to be a wife, why not go to college to find a husband?

417 posted on 02/20/2005 6:33:19 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: ValerieUSA
You post an assumption and I ask you to clarify that by approximate numbers and I am being silly?

Okie dokie.

Keep on sidestepping.

Later.
418 posted on 02/20/2005 6:34:12 PM PST by Neets
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To: k2blader
So you honestly think colleges exist because they're great places to party?

THAT was a blatantly dishonest post of yours.... preach to the mirror.

419 posted on 02/20/2005 6:34:40 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Judith Anne



So then, getting an education and meeting a husband stand as DUAL goals.

But going to college just to meet a husband, is a sole goal.


420 posted on 02/20/2005 6:34:58 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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