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To: Bahbah; cake_crumb; FairOpinion; hinckley buzzard; kabar; Miss Marple; Peach; clyde260; ...
For those of you who want to read the entire transcript, Here it is. Please note that even Hillary Clinton doesn't try to give the terrorists any ideas like McCain does.

Here are two examples of why John McCain is a traitor:

MCCAIN: On the issue of withdrawal, let me just point out, I think it is a false argument. The key to our continued presence here is not how long we stay, it is the U.S. casualties. We've been in South Korea for more than 50 years. Americans are perfectly happy with that. We've been in Bosnia, we've been in all over the world, but we don't have casualties. If we can bring American casualties down as the Iraqis take over military and law enforcement responsibilities, then I think the American people will be satisfied to see significant progress. I think that is the key to it, rather whether we withdraw or not.

McCain just has to get one more dig in:

MCCAIN: I've said many times that we have made serious mistakes and we've paid a heavy price for those mistakes. And I have pointed them out a long time ago. But the fact is that the elections have taken place.....


The benefit of watching this press conference live was the ability to see how negative and dangerous John McCain can be. IMO, his motives are dishonorable and I'm sick that no one is calling him out on these irresponsible remarks.
105 posted on 02/19/2005 1:39:15 PM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: demkicker
McCain is indeed dangerous.

The idiot might want to stop rambling about the number of US troops in Bosnia and Korea though. He sounds like a cross between Wesley Clark and his boss, Hanoi Johnny Boy.

Remember this: it's not AMERICAN casualties that are the key, whatever John the not-so-tactically-inclined veteran thinks, but the number of IRAQI casualties. As long as Saudi and Syria back the Sunni Ba'athists against Shi'ia and Christian Iraqis and as long as Iran eggs both sides on in an effort to finally control Iraq, our presence will be necessary. You can bet that Iraqi leaders will ask us to continue to stay as long as it takes.

Iraq has lost as many people to the terrorist enemy as we have.
119 posted on 02/19/2005 1:53:08 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: demkicker

McCain: "The key to our continued presence here is not how long we stay, it is the U.S. casualties. "


Thanks for getting the transcript. This is terrible for a US Senator to stay.

And actually in the two wars, we lost fewer troops, than the number of civilians who died on 9-11-01 in the terrorist attack. THAT is what it's all about.

Today is the 60 year anniversary of Iwo Jima, on TV they said, that there 150 troops were left out of the 1000 in a matter of a few hours, and 6,800 American soldiers died in less than a month. What would have happened then, if we had the same mentality, that if we suffer casualties, we should just surrender?

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/4214112/detail.html


121 posted on 02/19/2005 1:53:50 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: demkicker

you can think how you wish of course but the term "traitor" is hardly what I see when he expresses his opinion. You can disagree with him all you like but calling him a traitor is overreacting and not how legitimate conservative blogs and pundits view him.......not at all....calling him a traitor is a DU or Daily Kos type of slander


125 posted on 02/19/2005 2:01:31 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: demkicker

Sen. Graham did give the right answer - as we discussed before, the only right answer:

"QUESTION: Senator Graham, two questions. One is you said that you feel that the troops are going to have to be here for a while, do you feel like that is five years, 10 years, if you can give a timetable.

GRAHAM: As to how long? The answer is, until the job's done. Not one minute longer, not one minute less. And what is the job? The ability of this country to have the capacity to maintain its freedom. That just doesn't mean numbers with guns, that means institutions that work; judges and courtrooms that work for all Iraqis, regardless of your ethnic background or your religious differences. A finance ministry that can collect taxes and pay the bills. When you look at what is ahead for this country, there is reason to be very hopeful it could change the whole region. But as John said, to underestimate what lies ahead is a mistake.

How long? I don't know, but to leave too soon would be devastating. To stay too long would be unnecessary. The Iraqi people have their fate in their hands but we're essential partners in that process. And I ask the American people to have patience because what happens here directly affects our security at home. "


128 posted on 02/19/2005 2:04:29 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: demkicker

A million thanks, demkicker. McCain is not presidential material, to say the least.


138 posted on 02/19/2005 2:31:46 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: demkicker

Thanks for the transcript link!


148 posted on 02/19/2005 2:56:36 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: demkicker
The man is despicable. No other word for it.

Someone needs to take the jackass behind the barn and kick his a$$. How Rummy doesn't stand up and pop him one is beyond me.

Perhaps one of these days Rummy will get the chance to Leahy him as Cheney did.

164 posted on 02/19/2005 3:37:39 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: demkicker
For those of you who want to read the entire transcript, Here it is. Please note that even Hillary Clinton doesn't try to give the terrorists any ideas like McCain does.

You don't think that the terrorists were already thinking that we would withdraw our troops if we suffered too many casualties.

Here are two examples of why John McCain is a traitor:

His comments definitely do not rise to the level of treason.

176 posted on 02/19/2005 4:05:09 PM PST by JoethePirate
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To: demkicker
Thanks for the ping. After reading the transcript along with the thread, I have a better feel of how Graham jumped in. I'll again say I'm pleased that he had that sense, a sense he hasn't exhibited in the Senate on more than one occasion.

As far as McCain goes, my true opinion of him is that he's a joyless, jealous, abusive man who is incapable of admitting a mistake or taking the high road.

I've said many times that we have made serious mistakes and we've paid a heavy price for those mistakes. And I have pointed them out a long time ago.

He's not going to give up making this point. He joined the "there aren't enough troops in Iraq" team and like most of his positions, his ego won't let him budge. His first point regarding withdrawal and that pressure is accurate, American opinion and demands are driven by casualties. It is also an incredibly stupid thing to say to our troops, the Iraqis, Americans and our enemies. All that needed to be said was what Graham said.

203 posted on 02/19/2005 4:54:39 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: demkicker; Miss Marple; Dog; Bahbah
QUESTION: So, I wonder if you could both give us your sense, what that means to you to come here? What are you going to be telling people -- not at news conferences, but what are you going to be telling the 42nd president of the United States -- in terms of Clinton -- when you get home, in your kitchen? What is your feeling about this?

CLINTON: Well, it is mixed. Because I was last here at the end of 2003. And I was able to drive from the airport into Baghdad, for example. It is regrettable that the security needs have increased so much....

When was the last time Hillary! actually drove herself anywhere? She's been under USSS protection since 1992 and Arkansas State Police protection 1978-1980 and 1983 to when the USSS took over the job.

204 posted on 02/19/2005 4:57:25 PM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: demkicker

Thanks for the Ping.

I read the transcript since I didn't see the press conference.

Sometimes I wonder if some of our senators and reps are being manipulative or just REALLY stupid.

McCain sometimes says things where I just shake my head and wonder if he thought about what he said before he said or if he just doesn't care. This is one of those times.

Was there a synapse malfunction in his brain or is he just a jerk?


247 posted on 02/20/2005 5:56:22 PM PST by hansel
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