Posted on 02/17/2005 1:55:46 PM PST by quidnunc
Q: After having read many accounts of the Civil War, I still don’t understand why South Carolina fired on Ft. Sumter, galvanizing the North into war. What do you think might have happened had the South continued to let these coastal forts be manned by the Union for a longer time?
Hanson: I think conflict was inevitable, because the South had little appreciation of Northern industrial power nor of the competence of a number of formerly nondescript Union officers. The best officers of the Mexican War had joined the Confederacy and there was an erroneous general impression that all superior commanders had left the Union, and with vaunted Southern courage, a big victory or two would teach the Yankees that going into the Confederacy was simply not worth the trouble, especially for the increasingly controversial idea of emancipation. …
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i'm sure you can't find any, because you do NOT want to know.
To you, any facts that disagree with your twisted view of history are "self-serving damnyankee propaganda." You're the Baghdad Bob of Free Republic.
you seem to be yet another victim of a "publick screwl edumakashun" & seem to believe believe the most simplistic, self-serving LIES out of the "poison ivy league" LEFTIST/REVISIONIST schools.
Nope. Heck, I didn't even go to high school in this country. I learned about the American Civil War in a Canadian private school where nobody had an agenda on the conflict. The only Civil War history class I ever took in College was taught by a visiting professor from Washington & Lee.
I guess, in your view, the League of the South view on the Civil War is what should be taught in schools.
ROFL.. he went to a socialist Canadian school where no one had an agenda... beyond making slavery, and thus America as a whole, seem much worse than it was.
Once again, Watie, just you saying something doesn't make it true. So, if you can't show one independent source to the forum to support this "I'm a victim" story of yours, I'll assume that it's another of your fabrications. If you can show me such a thing, I'll immediately retract my accusation and apologize for doubting you. I doubt you'd show me the same courtesy.
My school certainly wasn't socialist, for what it's worth.
We were taught that the Civil War had a lot of underlying causes, from economics to shifting demographics, but that, at the end of the day, the flashpoint was the question of slavery. If there had been no slavery, there would have been no civil war.
And I find your comment about "beyond making slavery, and thus America as a whole, seem much worse than it was" interesting. So, slavery wasn't really all that bad, in your opinion?
Old news. I remember when that case went to court. "Roots" was, at it's heart, a plagiarized novel. What's your point? That people fabricate their histories to serve their own agendas? That others embrace those fabrications to serve their agendas? File under "Duh."
I'm a Lincoln conservative. What the heck are you? Ever hear "with malice toward none, with charity to all"? Sherman made a joke of that statement. Using Sherman's logic Patton would have broken away from the Werhmacht to go to torch undefended Bavarian cities. Strategic bombing during WWII was instrumental in winning the war. Strategic burning of homes, farms, crops and towns at the end of a war already won did nothing but make reconstruction near impossible in this area. I'm still waiting for someone to show me how not pursuing Johnston, Hood or Lee in order to "make Georgia howl" ended the war any sooner.
No, your "people", (and I use that term loosely), held MY people as property. Then after they were defeated, they instituted Jim crow laws, lynched thousands of us, and fought the Civil Rights act and the Voting Rights Act tooth and nail.
Do I want reparations? Hell no. But your side needs to own up to their history. You sound like these Germans who want honors for their "fallen" SS troops at Bitburg, while forgetting the horrors they visited on most of Europe.
The Jews are right with their "Never forget!" cries over the Final Solution. We shouldn't either over slavery and segregation.
RIP Emmet Till, Medgar Evers, and James Chaney....all MURDERED by unreconstructed Johnny Rebs.
Get over it. Your side lost in 1865. If you think the South will ever break away again, you're nuts.
For one thing, Disney won't let you make I-95 and I-75 a war zone and threaten their coffers. Money talks, and seccessionist treason will run, not walk.
Like Watie's alleged massacre? What's your point?
Your plan would have ended the war much sooner while saving countless lives and untold suffering.
Just trying to keep things honest. I get sick of the one sided distorted view of that era, and of hearing how bad America and whites are because of it. Slavery existed probably since the dawn of mankind, since one man was able to force another to do his bidding. White culture is responsible for, if anything, being the first culture (starting with the Greeks) to even question the morality of slavery.
The Holocaust did occur, and you don't need the Jews to prove it.
With typical teutonic efficiency, (gotta admire German thouroughness!), the Nazis themselves left behind rather detailed records of what they did......in triplicate.
Start with Heyrich's and Eichmann's Wannsee meeting minutes, where the "resettlement" of Jews to the east was discussed and the phrase "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem" was implemented.
I believe in sourcd and footnoted original documentation, I don't rely on self-serving revisionism like you obviously do.
Amistad is a true and accurate story that's wholly suported by court documents.
Including the defense notes of lawyer John Adams.
Or do you accuse one of our Founding Fathers of suborning perjury like some third-rate ambulance chaser?
When I met my neighbors wife, a sweet little old lady with tattooed numbers on her forearms, and she told me the story of how she carried her parents bodies out of the gas chambers.. nobody could have seen her tell the story and doubt for a second that it was true.
No argument there. The problem is that we, as Americans, should hold ourselves to a higher standard. Was slavery less brutal in the US than in, say, Haiti? Yes. Was it a small part of the slave trade? Yes. Was it still a black mark on American history and a violation of the high flown ideas on which this country was founded? Yes. Did it have its ardent defenders in the south? Yes.
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