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1 posted on 02/15/2005 8:42:01 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards

I believe it was President Gorbie of the old USSR that said "environmentism is the last, final bastion of communism because it is the only approach left where the government can regulate and take private land from people."

In the 6,000 yeas of recorded human history, no government has ever led its people into anything except the history books with a simple lesson.

Don't let this happen to you.

Too bad we never seem to learn.


2 posted on 02/15/2005 8:52:14 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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The Kyoto craze won't last long once countries begin to feel the effects of it on their economies. Do you think France is going to cough up the cash it's going to owe Russia? I highly doubt it. Then russia is going to turn around after they get this cash and bow out of the treaty. It has no choice if it's going to expand it's oil and gas industries. Unless it slaughters half it's population, which isn't all that unrealistic. it's happened before.


3 posted on 02/15/2005 8:54:19 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: MikeEdwards

read Michael Chrichton's book "State of Fear". A good read and deals with this very aspect - "we all know it's true, so it's true - isn't it" ????

He even provides some good references to dissenting scientists/research right in the middle of the book.


4 posted on 02/15/2005 8:55:07 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: MikeEdwards
The Left uses sneaky argument tactics on this issues.

If Global Warming is observed, it's hard to prove that it is man-made. It's just as hard to prove that it is not man-made.

Is there Global Warming?
Is it our fault?
If it is our fault, can we do anything about it?
If it's not our fault, should we do anything about it?

For the Left, answering "yes" to any of these 4 questions fully justifies ending the Industrial Revolution and reverting to living in caves.

I take the opposite approach -- Global Warming has been observed on Mars. Therefore it is caused by solar activity, therefore there's nothing for us to do about it aside from adapting (using more air conditioning, moving beach-front homes) as circumstances indicate.

5 posted on 02/15/2005 8:56:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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I think that global warming is actually a nice way for governments to talk about Peak Oil without totally scaring the general public half to death. Climate change is 20 or 30 years off by most alarmists estimates, and probably always will be as the science is doubtful. Peak Oil is coming within the next ten years and the science is much solider based on production curves that have already reached their peak and have been observed in the U.S and throughout the world. What's worse is that there is no good solution to the peak oil crisis and it will probably lead to world war III.

Enter global warming. This allows people to demand energy efficiency and non-fossil fuel polluting energy sources without causing undue panic. What's more it lets the world put pressure on the U.S to consume less energy so that the oil will last longer, or at least they'll benefit from the remaining stocks.

8 posted on 02/15/2005 9:01:44 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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Another article from today that also addresses the new-age religious aspects of environmentalism:

Science kept out by the greens' dogma (like creationists, urban greenies cling to fundamentalism)

They don't want truth or science, they want faith - faith in the undeniable vileness of man in Gaia's grand scheme.

12 posted on 02/15/2005 9:15:05 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MikeEdwards

We didn't sign it. What can they do to us? NOTHING!!!!!


14 posted on 02/15/2005 9:19:12 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: MikeEdwards

Duplicate post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1343464/posts


19 posted on 02/15/2005 9:28:10 AM PST by wmichgrad ("The man is insane. He has lost his mind" Rush Limbaugh 1/28/05 re: Sen. Kennedy's remarks on Iraq)
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To: MikeEdwards

I won't address Kyoto which I view as just another socialist ploy dreamed up by the euro-weenies and UN to punish the United States for its productivity and redistribute wealth. I don't keep up with the conflicting science on this, correct me if I'm wrong on this simplified synopsis...

Not too many people are arguing that the surface of the planet appears to be warming. There is a theory explaining this perceived warming which contends that CO2 and "greehouse gas" emissions, primarily from the burning of fossil fuels, are accumulating in the mid troposphere. This promotes the greenhouse effect where radiation cooling is diminished, the troposphere warms, which in turn warms the surface.

So, forgive my ignorance, but is there any evidence (not computer models, but real studies) which confirm the mid troposphere is warming? Isn't that the whole basis of the greenhouse theory? And if the troposphere is warming which in theory would warm the surface, and if the effect is due to concentration of greenhouse gasses, is there any way to discount any other sources like deep ocean methane releases among others?


21 posted on 02/15/2005 9:42:33 AM PST by truthchaser
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