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NYC:New York Hits Online Sellers of Cigarettes
New York Times.com ^ | 2-12-05 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:01 PM PST by SheLion

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To: firebrand
I'm not upset. I'm just defending the actions of law enforcement. They happen to be in the right.

Not law enforcement.  But the LAWMAKERS.  And they are NOT right in their pursuit of this.

But I do mind when other people aren't carrying what is their fair share by law. That is one of the many little sociopathologies exhibited by New Yorkers.

Fair share of the law?  When a legal commodity is priced so high in taxes to balance budgets, line lawmakers pockets, build big fancy gold courses, etc etc, this is FAIR? 

And why do you think that 25-30% of the people who purchase a legal commodity should carry the damn state's budget on their shoulders?????

121 posted on 02/12/2005 4:59:24 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion

He has an irrational fear of Cigarrettes. Maybe a parent that didn't hug him enough used to smoke. Could be anything. It's the same hatred people have to guns, SUVS, etc. Its a mind disorder.

He obviously doesn't care how unethical these acts are, as long as they hurt those damn smokers they're OK in his book.


122 posted on 02/12/2005 5:04:02 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: EGPWS
Your sensible mindset along with others is what Jim Robinson is (in my opinion) promoting.

 Well, I and many others are sick and tired of this war on smokers.  The lies and the deceit just for the God almighty dollar has got to stop.

And it amazes me at how the anti's have brain washed some of the FReepers and the general public.  We need to counter post the truth to TRY to turn these people around.  I just feel that the non-smoking general public, (not all, but most), want to keep smokers on the hook just to protect THEIR pocket book.

The lawmakers with need to ban cigarettes altogether or ease up!  But we all KNOW they won't ban it!  The money is too good!

123 posted on 02/12/2005 5:04:19 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
But I do mind when other people aren't carrying what is their fair share by law. That is one of the many little sociopathologies exhibited by New Yorkers.

Thus, the term "SHEEPLE" was created.

124 posted on 02/12/2005 5:05:32 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: firebrand
The status quo is that there is a hefty tax on cigarettes. It is built into the budget.

Do you balance your monthly budget based upon what you MIGHT make in overtime? Same difference.

Therefore the money that does not come from cigarette tax has to come from somewhere else. I don't think I'm mixed up--just taxed enough already.

And smokers aren't?

You should be hounding your legislators about cutting prok spending in the budget - not hounding smokers for finding a cheaper source for their smokes.

I'm so glad I got out of NYC before EVERYONE went insane.

125 posted on 02/12/2005 5:08:30 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: SheLion
The thread was about enforcing the law.

Okay, their legally determined share. We can argue all day and night about what's fair.

They would hardly be carrying the state or the city's gargantuan budget on their shoulders even if they were all to pay the cigarette tax.

126 posted on 02/12/2005 5:08:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

So, since you're taxed enough already you advocate taxing the hell out of someone else? Spoken like a true lib. You might find it more compatible over on DU.


127 posted on 02/12/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: Gabz
Hi, Gabz. Well, I see you have probably never had to work out a projected budget. Um, yes, you do account for next year's expenses based on what you expect to receive. What pork spending? (Okay, okay . . .)

Hope to see you at CPAC.

128 posted on 02/12/2005 5:11:13 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Arkie2

I'm saying they should obey the law and law enforcement is not incorrect to enforce the law. That means I belong on DU?


129 posted on 02/12/2005 5:13:04 PM PST by firebrand
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To: EGPWS
Okay Gabz, please, for my benefit, define a non-busy day!

I don't think I have such a definition.....I'll re-phrase - today has been a busier than usual day!!!!

130 posted on 02/12/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: SheLion
The lawmakers with need to ban cigarettes altogether or ease up! But we all KNOW they won't ban it! The money is too good!

Gosh SheLion, the "lawmakers" are the elite and without them in control how are WE to survive?

Ease off, sit back, relax and let the "smart" one's make the decisions for us. After all it has been shown to work in the last generation hasn't it? /SARCASM

131 posted on 02/12/2005 5:13:58 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: firebrand

Sorry, but it serves the Prohibitionists right that they are losing tax revenues thanks to Closet Boy Bloomingidiots "War on Tobacco.


132 posted on 02/12/2005 5:16:27 PM PST by Clemenza (Are you going to bark all day, little doggie, or are you going to bite?)
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To: firebrand
The idea that you are expected to breathe in carcinogenic particles exhaled by others wherever you go is one of the phenomena that will be looked upon in the future as, quite frankly, insane.

ROFLMPJO!!!!!!!!! and you live in NY? Do you walk around with a gas mask all the time. I grew up in Brooklyn, and about got sick from the noxious air the first time I went back to visit after I had moved away.

133 posted on 02/12/2005 5:16:38 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz
today has been a busier than usual day!!!!

Okay, so Katie Curick would call your day a "bad hair day"!

I'm just funnin' with you Gabz! : )

Your FRiend

EG

134 posted on 02/12/2005 5:17:49 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: firebrand

It's a stupid law. Prohibition was a stupid law. The Germans are very familiar with stupid laws.

Hypothetical:(only because they can't figure out how to do it yet) If they pass a law tomorrow in New York that every E-mail sent out from New York will cost a buck and you have the option of sending an E-mail from a site in New Jersy, what will you do? If you tell me you'll pay the tax I know you're lying.


135 posted on 02/12/2005 5:20:32 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: firebrand
I don't worry too much about these things usually--I don't watch every little study on food additives or whatever. The studies usually end up contradicting one another in a few years anyway.

They why are you so quick to believe the lies about smoking and second hand smoke?

It just seems to me that breathing is one of the most important things you do, and if you're breathing in cigarette smoke, you're doing that wrong. The idea that you are expected to breathe in carcinogenic particles exhaled by others wherever you go is one of the phenomena that will be looked upon in the future as, quite frankly, insane.

And why is it so ingrained in your brain, even with all the studies out there that second hand smoke is NOT the killer the highly paid professional anti's want you to believe?  Why are you so quick to believe them and not us?

Do you realize that smoking cigarettes has been done for hundreds of years.  How do you explain all of us still being here and alive and doing well?  Don't you think that smoking over the years and even second hand smoke would have killed off the human race long before this?  Please think, ok?  You need to know that there is two sides to this story.

136 posted on 02/12/2005 5:21:01 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: firebrand
"The idea that you are expected to breathe in carcinogenic particles exhaled by others wherever you go is one of the phenomena that will be looked upon in the future as, quite frankly, insane."

Wouldn't you be surprised if you could look in your crystal ball and see the evidence that in the future cigarette smoke is beneficial?
Preposterous, you say?
So was the idea of leeches for blood clot control and maggots for wound cleaning - both methods used today.

Have you ever used cigarette smoke blown in your ear to relieve an earache?
Ridiculous, you say?
Well, it works.

137 posted on 02/12/2005 5:21:30 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: gidget7

Take care gidget. Thanks for your support.


138 posted on 02/12/2005 5:21:38 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: firebrand
They would hardly be carrying the state or the city's gargantuan budget on their shoulders even if they were all to pay the cigarette tax.

Huh??!!

139 posted on 02/12/2005 5:23:07 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Gabz
Do you walk around with a gas mask all the time.

Obviously firebrand has never sat at a bus stop long enough to see the bus's arrival for the diesel exhaust would have killed him.

140 posted on 02/12/2005 5:23:56 PM PST by EGPWS
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