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California May Require Everyone to Have Health Insurance
North County Times ^ | Feb. 8, 2005 | Gig Conaughton

Posted on 02/10/2005 7:46:33 AM PST by MedNole

LA JOLLA ---- Two state assemblymen told health officials in La Jolla on Tuesday that they plan to propose a sweeping health-care reform package in Sacramento on Thursday that would likely require all Californians to have health insurance.

State Assemblymen Joe Nation, D-Marin, and Dr. Keith Richman, R-Chatsworth, told health officials who gathered at UC San Diego to discuss the future of health care that they had been working on the comprehensive reform package that would "shake up the status quo," for more than a year.

Health-care officials, meanwhile, representing insurers, hospitals, doctors, county health services, academics and think-tank groups said California's, and the nation's, health-care system was broken and costs are spiraling out of control ---- in part because too many people don't have health insurance.

Officials said people without health insurance, or not enough health insurance, can't pay for their medical coverage.

That, they said, forces insurers, hospitals and doctors to try to make up shortfalls by passing the costs on to patients who have health insurance ---- an action that contributes to a continuing upward spiral in the cost of health care for everyone.

Neither assemblyman would go into the details of exactly what their "multi-bill" plan would entail.

But they strongly hinted that it would, if passed, require all Californians to have health-insurance coverage ----- just like car insurance.

"The system is crumbling," Richman said. "It's 6.4 million people (in California) who are currently not in the system who are not contributing to the financial stability of our entire health-care system."

Officials said that health-care costs in California have risen to $150 billion, and that the annual health-care costs for a family of four is roughly $10,000.

Richman and health experts on the panel of experts at Tuesday's seminar hosted by the Rand Corp. and the Communications Institute said there were multiple reasons why health-care costs continue to rapidly increase.

Those reasons include:

State and federal health insurance for the poor ---- Medi-Cal and Medicare ---- are too complicated, need to be simplified and "streamlined," and do not pay doctors and hospitals enough to cover medical service.

The cost of prescription drugs, pushed by incessant television marketing, continues to rise at double-digit percentages each year.

That patients over-use expensive drugs ---- rather than generics ---- and medical treatments, such as Magnetic Resonance Imaging and surgical procedures such as "stomach stapling," that they do not necessarily need.

That a significant portion of California's, and the nation's, population is getting older, meaning they need and use health-care services more often.

That expensive technological advancements such as hip, knee and other joint replacements continue to be used more and more.

In addition, Dana Goldman, a senior economist with the Rand Corp., and others said people are living longer than ever before, giving them a chance to be stricken with aging illnesses such as heart and lung disease that are often expensive to treat.

Michael Murphy, president and chief executive officer of Sharp Healthcare, said, "The system isn't working ... only one-third of hospitals in the state are making money. There have been eight hospital closures in the state of California in the last six months."

Surprisingly, Goldman said, many people who do not have health insurance are not poor.

He said recent studies show that more than one-third of the population who are uninsured have income levels that are twice the federal poverty level.

Those same studies showed that 55 percent of those who are uninsured are young ---- between the ages of 18 and 34.

San Diego's Dr. Bob Hertzka, president of the California Medical Association, said the association believes that a partial solution is for the government to mandate "individual health insurance coverage" ---- meaning that everyone in the state would be required to pay for health insurance.

Goldman said that could possibly be just for "catastrophic coverage," to start out with, just to prevent hospitals from having to eat the cost of expensive treatment for uninsured people who suffer traumatic car wrecks or serious illnesses.

Richman, meanwhile, said he agreed with all the observations at Tuesday's seminar. He said the legislative package he and Nation plan to unveil Thursday would be far-reaching and would not "just be talking about a mandate for universal coverage."

"When I started in the Legislature in 2000-2001, health care was a crisis," Richman said. "And it's only gotten worse. I really believe that this is the opportunity to make some real changes in our health-care system. We're going to roll out something on Thursday ... I think it will shake up the system."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: California
KEYWORDS: healthcare; insurance; nannystate; socializedmedicine; uninsured
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I love this idea. It prevents people with insurance from having to pay for the treatment of those without insurance. Whether you like it or not, you are paying for it when people without insurance and can't pay their medical bills get treated in ERs and hospitals.
1 posted on 02/10/2005 7:46:33 AM PST by MedNole
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To: MedNole

I agree.


2 posted on 02/10/2005 7:47:47 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: MedNole

Is this going to apply to all the illegals too, or just law abiding citizens?

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

3 posted on 02/10/2005 7:50:28 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Guest Worker Program = Amnesty)
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To: MedNole

What is the punishment for not having insurance under this law?


4 posted on 02/10/2005 7:50:46 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: MedNole
This idea also forces young people, who are just getting started and neither can afford nor need health insurance but for catastrophic care, to subsidize others who do. Lacking the ability to pay, the State would then be "forced" to provide a subsidy anyway.

It's stealth socialism. You love it.

Another attack on the poor, brought to you by the Slave Party.

5 posted on 02/10/2005 7:51:49 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RockinRight; MedNole

You're both communists.


6 posted on 02/10/2005 7:51:59 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: MedNole

Obviously there is no easy solution. On the one hand hospitals lose money because of people who have no health insurance. However, I have a friend who is a small businessman. He has health insurance, but his rates and deductible are horrendous. IMO, the insurance companies offer lower rates of groups, but subsidize them with killer rates for small business people.


7 posted on 02/10/2005 7:52:44 AM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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But they strongly hinted that it would, if passed, require all Californians to have health-insurance coverage ----- just like car insurance.


Or else what? With the car insurance, they can refuse to let you renew your vehicle registration... What would be the punishment for those who remained uninsured?

8 posted on 02/10/2005 7:52:50 AM PST by Rio
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To: MedNole

Another great idea from the Nanny State....


9 posted on 02/10/2005 7:54:04 AM PST by freebilly
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To: MedNole

Good luck ever getting that to work!!!


10 posted on 02/10/2005 7:54:58 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Daytona 500 ~ 10 days! (3 days to the Shootout ) Buckle your seatbelt (Jr"I'm outta control" ha ha:)
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To: Owl_Eagle

What do _you_ think?


11 posted on 02/10/2005 7:55:30 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: Rio

IMO the mandatory car insurance thing is bogus as well. I myself have it and always have ( ans like it that other should have it ), but forcing people to buy something is socialism, not to mention screams of kickbacks from insurance lobby/companies.

I also want ot know how you enforce it and the penalties.


12 posted on 02/10/2005 7:57:11 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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"What is the punishment for not having insurance under this law?"

Well, if you have an amputation, then they realize you can't pay for it, they sew it back on.

13 posted on 02/10/2005 7:57:14 AM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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To: MedNole
Keith Richman is involved. That must be why it has a subject classification of "Political Humor/Cartoons." Richman is a RINO with a capital R and there's no way to get rid of him.

This plan sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I'm not surprised they didn't give out any details.

14 posted on 02/10/2005 7:57:37 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: Rio

A knock on the door at midnight?


15 posted on 02/10/2005 7:58:04 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: agitator

I'm saying it's better than Hillarycare-that's it. It wasn't an endorsement.


16 posted on 02/10/2005 7:58:26 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: MedNole
If they could force illegal aliens to pay for uncompensated care, my own health insurance premiums would fall by half in terms of cost. Its about time. Wooo hooo!

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

17 posted on 02/10/2005 7:58:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Rio
What would be the punishment for those who remained uninsured?

Why, the denial of your license to live, I guess.

What an absolutely moronic idea. Incredible.

18 posted on 02/10/2005 7:59:26 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not all that cranky anymore. Someday I'll say just why.)
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To: MedNole
I am curious about something...

The idea of mandatory auto insurance works because it is directly tied to a privilege; i.e. a driver's license. There is no such association with health insurance. If you don't have auto insurance, they can take away your driver's license. If you don't have health insurance, what are they going to do, take away your breathing license?

Seriously, what punishment would be effective? Fine them? Force them to pay the incurred medical expenses? They are defaulting on those charges now; making it illegal not to have health insurance isn't going to make them all of a sudden have the cash to pay for services rendered if they don't comply with the new law any more than before.

Jail time? That would hardly reduce cost to taxpayers. That would just mean in addition to picking up the tab for medical care while incarcerated the public would be paying to feed and house them too.
19 posted on 02/10/2005 7:59:29 AM PST by Antonello
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To: One Proud Dad

Plus-it makes no difference anyway. I have been in exactly two car accidents in my 11 years driving. Neither was my fault. In both cases, the other driver was uninsured. My insurance picked up the bill, but I paid out of pocket for rental cars, deductibles, and all that other crap-plus-my premiums went up.


20 posted on 02/10/2005 8:00:48 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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