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Same-sex couples may one day have genetic offspring
Cape Times ^ | 2/9/05 | Steve Connor

Posted on 02/09/2005 1:40:38 PM PST by transhumanist

Imagine your street 20 years from now. Who might be living next to you? It could be a lesbian couple and their biological daughter - created when an egg of one of the women was fertilised with the synthetic sperm made from the skin cells of the other.

The family on the other side may have a healthy boy, created in the test tube when sperm from the father was inserted into an artificial egg created from the skin of the mother.

This is not as far-fetched as it may seem. Scientists have worked out how to make "artificial" germline cells, the vital precursors to sperm and eggs.

If the germline cells prove safe, the breakthrough could make infertility a thing of the past.

But the technique will break ground by allowing same-sex couples to be fathers and mothers to their biological children.

If healthy germline cells can be derived from ordinary skin cells, women and men may produce eggs and sperm.

At least three teams of researchers have demonstrated the plausibility of making synthetic germline cells, although they have used only mice.

(Excerpt) Read more at capetimes.co.za ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: artificialsperm; bioethics; dontfoolmothernature; embryonicstemcells; fertility; genetics; homosexualagenda; monsters; samesex; stemcells
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To: gidget7
I beg to differ, just as with Dolly, there would inevitably be serious medical issues with such a child, and probably issues we know nothing about since it's uncharted territory. Hence no way to help such a child. IMO it would be a medical experiment, way too dangerous.

Exactly. If anyone is a "monster" here, it's the people who do these procedures knowing the huge potential of genetic disaster, not the kids (or to be known as "kits" when it's cheap enough to do at home).

101 posted on 02/09/2005 3:44:18 PM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: Squeako

The people who are doing this already view children as "accessories" to marriage. They view adult couples as purposed to recreational sex. Children are nothing more than a social or political statement.

Ironically homosexual derogatory slang is to refer to normal people as breeders.

By at least presenting the PROPAGANDA of propagation, they are able to MSM spin legitimacy into their abnormal choices.


102 posted on 02/09/2005 3:49:58 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: transhumanist
Just what we need . A planet full of Rosie O'Donnell's.

See what happens when man gets into the creation business.

Why do they meddle into something they say they don't believe in.

They would do all a favor if they would give the homosexuals a community by themselves and wait 40 billion years for them to evolve to the point where they could procreate.

103 posted on 02/09/2005 4:01:01 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: Rutles4Ever

I remember reading the story of the baby that was abandoned and raised by wolves. The child never developed beyond being a wild animal.

Conversely, I have seen pets that were really well loved, and they most certainly developed a personality, and presumably a soul.


104 posted on 02/09/2005 4:05:55 PM PST by punster
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To: Modernman; Rutles4Ever
If could do such a thing and the resulting DNA was identical to human DNA, I still have to conclude that the end result is human.

I agree. Human DNA and cockroach DNA are both composed of the same four molecules--cytosine, guanine, adenine, and thymine. The only difference is in the sequencing. Take a bunch of guanine from cockroach DNA, and mix it up with a bunch of guanine from human DNA, and no one on Earth will be able to tell which molecules came from the person and which came from the bug.

The difference between human DNA and cockroach DNA is in the information they contain. If you could take a string of cockroach DNA and re-write the code to be identical to human DNA, then an organism produced with that DNA would be human. The fact that the molecules originally came from a cockroach would be no more significant than the fact that my lunch this afternoon was originally a turkey. Many of the molecules from the DNA currently in your body may have once formed part of the DNA of a carrot, or a pig, or a blue whale--or a cockroach. All molecules of a particular type are interchangable parts.

105 posted on 02/09/2005 4:07:05 PM PST by TigerTale ("I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me.")
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To: TigerTale

I have to wonder if we would have seen the same reaction to this story if the homosexuality angle had not been included.

My own mother was infertile, and was incapable of properly producing an egg. She and my father ended up adopting. But what a boon this technology would have been, if it had been available 40 years ago!

This isn't a "pro-homosexual" technology, people! They will probably be the first adopters, sure. They might even be the most prevalent users. But I can tell you-- from the most personal, intimate experience I can offer-- that there are heterosexual couples out there who need this technology as well.

For those who raise religious arguments about souls and soforth, I say you are wrong, and opposing a worthwhile technology for the wrong reasons. A smiling baby is the product of one sperm and one egg, and the fact that the sperm and/or the egg originated in a lab is as irrelevant as the arguments raised against IVF.

If "baby Louise" (the first "test-tube baby" born of invitrofertilization) has a soul, then I can't see why a baby born of this new technique does not.


106 posted on 02/09/2005 6:59:25 PM PST by transhumanist (Science must trump superstition)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; scripter; Clint N. Suhks; nicmarlo; ArGee; SweetCaroline

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107 posted on 02/09/2005 7:46:25 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform

Very interesting article. I'm not sure what category this falls into...


108 posted on 02/09/2005 8:22:26 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: longtermmemmory
Would such human patents applied to human offspring constitute a violation against the prohibition on slaver?

I would say yes. I can't imagine Congress or any state legislature allowing this type of contract.

Would the imposition of steritlity of offspring be the same as indentured servitude, since the child will have to return to the patent holder?

Yes. I can't imagine Congress or any state legislature allowing this type of contract, either.

All this brought to us by the homo-lobby in order to ensure the public sees two men playing with each other's penis as normal.

In all fairness, this type of procedure could be used by straight couples where one member of the couple is infertile.

109 posted on 02/10/2005 6:56:54 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman

Straigt couples will not have to turn female cells into male gentic material or vice versa. A natuaral born male and female has the sperm and egg which can be harvisted for invitro.

Government will not involve itself in such patent/mandatory sterility contracts (they already allow such dead end seeds in agriculture)

IF, and that is a big if, functional accessory babies will be produced before the laws catch up.

Regardless, this is a spin article to support homosexual "normalization". The science is not there if ever will be.


110 posted on 02/10/2005 7:35:22 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: HostileTerritory

My firm's insurance covers IVF, and a colleague of mine is sure glad it did. His 29 year old wife had unexplained infertility, and IVF worked for them -- twice. They didn't view the procedure as "elective"; they'd much rather have done things the natural way.


111 posted on 02/10/2005 7:37:01 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Yes, but do we want the insurance companies to be in the position of deciding which parents are worthy of having their extra efforts to have children funded and which ones aren't?


112 posted on 02/10/2005 7:57:20 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

In the case of our policies, it is the employer's choice to offer a plan which includes IVF coverage, and due to all the nanny-state laws, that invariably means that all employees have the same access. The insurance company puts an age limit on the procedure (38, IIRC), presumably because per-cycle success rates are still quite low beyond that age, and also because infertility beyond that age is perfectly normal and natural (and thus IVF becomes a truly elective procedure). I believe there is also a limit of 2 or 3 cycles covered under the plan (my colleague was lucky -- first cycle produced a baby girl, and second cycle produced twin boys). As with any medical insurance coverage, an appropriate diagnosis, and appropriate previous measures are required -- it doesn't cover elective IVF for people with no medical diagnosis of infertility, nor does it cover IVF before simpler and less expensive approaches have been either tried or ruled out as medically inappropriate.


113 posted on 02/10/2005 8:32:26 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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114 posted on 02/10/2005 10:37:21 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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