Big Media Won't Touch Agenda 21

SierraTimes.com ^ | Feb 3, 2005 | Nancy Levant

[familyop]

"I thought they had all passed on. Today's Tories sound like Pat Buchanon on one of his 'off' days."

...exactly, and well said with regards to many of them. Some reading on the British Mandate period and contemporary commentaries about "empire" was a little educational for me. Hopefully, time will allow for more.

[X_CDN_EH]

Here in Northern Va., there is a 'Moseby Heritage Area' complete with signs on major highways. I wonder if this is part of this plan.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

""what ifs" and "it mights" and "it coulds""

Sorry bud, but "it" IS. Ain't no if, ands, OR buts about it. Just check the links. EcoLogic Powerhouse also has a lot of information about what is actually happening before YOUR very eyes in YOUR time, to YOUR children's future. You might even invest a few dollars to join EcoLogic if your children's future and indeed the future of all children of the world concerns you A'tall. For, Agenda 21 insures that ALL children's futures will be alike. CONTROLLED by a few unnamed, unelected, irresponsible appointed bureaucrats. It's REAL. Peace and love, George..

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"All this handwringing about some 21st century version of the Protocols of Zion:

ABM, Really?? The Jews?? Tell me more. Peace and love, George.

[Kay Ludlow]

I see the author of this took the same journey I did. We are making some headway in central Pennsylvania on educating people about Agenda 21. DCNR is pushing "PA Wilds" in north central PA, supposedly to promote tourism, but actually a tool to get control of land use and 're-wild' a core bio-reserve. Because the loyal opposition has been spreading the word, DCNR actually mentioned, in one of their 'myths about PA Wilds' brochures, Agenda 21. It was of course in the lying context that any connection between PA Wilds and Agenda 21 was a myth, but it shows that enough people are talking about it that they felt forced to address it.

I do tend to think that most (though not all) of the people implementing this stuff at the local level, state level and even within the bureaucracy really don't understand it either. They think planning councils and visioning sounds like progress - why not break out from the old governmental constraints and really work together for what everyone wants? They don't know about the agenda behind it all. Since I've been to visioning events, I can see how slick the professional facilitators are - they know what THEY are doing!

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[An.American.Expatriate]

See my post at 150 for the list of World Heritage Sites in the US...

[bill1952]

Not to mention the full court press that the MSM and most universities are putting into the promotion of such policies, even if they do not mention UN Agenda 21.

I was dismayed to read in one Op-Ed a nasty rant against the red states because they don't put more public money into public transportation, but rather "waste it" on such things as *gasp* highways.
It really got to me that the bastions of the blue (highly congested cities) believe that not only are we stupid, but also truly believe that we must follow and fund their inner city agenda.

Even here in Florida there was the high speed line fiasco.
Fortunately, that was stopped by the voters, but the choice came down to money for schools or money for a train.

Or vastly increased taxes.

With unlimited immigration and increasing amounts of land being declared off limits, it may well be that this will be the case in a few dozen years, and even if it is not part of a conscious design or plan, the result will be the same.

[Junior]

You need to include a few randomly CAPITALIZED words; extra exclamation marks at the ends of some sentences; and use words like "fedgov" and "comsymp" to really get your point across.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Scary Map!!

[philo]

I think you uncovered the Art Bell wing of Free Republic

[Spirited]

Sorry about Denial...

You didn't believe they monitored this board, either, I suppose...until the Feds showed up at the home of a Freeper who merely posted here.

[Smartaleck]

"Smart Growth" is "Agenda 21"
Posted on 04/01/2001 on FreeRepublic

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac76978087e.htm

on FR as recently as
Posted on 01/28/2005..."dangerous frauds, including Agenda 21"
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1331138/posts

Write isn't paying attention LOL

[Spirited]

Have you seen all the stuff that is being put out to push for Ahnold for President? I know quite a few people who will go to the mat for this.

Some right here.

[Spirited]

They're getting us used to the sound.
UVA and Monticello was whisked in in a hurry. They have to be pc. A shame.

[Sweetjustusnow]

This is all too real. I have been up against some of the outshoots from this. One particular organization known as OCTA. Which Senator Hatch of Utah supports. My property has been directly affected and I've had to fight this group, which is and will be a loosing battle. My story is listed at the APC site. You can read it here: http://www.americanpolicy.org/prop/lies.htm You can also do a google search for IdahoOCTA and see that they have posted photo's of my land and have "their" story concerning it listed there as well.
The USA is under siege and has been for a very long time and indeed there are many, many Republicans who not only allow it, but promote it and sanction it.

[blanknoone]

I appreciate your position on this thread. But I think you are wrong....well, that is not fair...I think you are missing something. And I think those trying to highlight the threat are missing something too.

This is an ideological struggle. You are right that the UN is a bunch of incompetent buffoons. They are right that the UN is seeking, and getting, incremental control over our rights. The situation is that several of our 'rights' are now 'protected' by incompetent buffoons.

But that is not what is so important. Here is what is important...this is a struggle for ideas, and our side isn't fighting. Theirs is. Granted the left is both wrong and incompetent, but they face no organized resistance...so they are gaining ground. That is what this 21 stuff is about...it is their ideology organizing and supporting its efforts. There is no organized ideological resistance.

Most people don't consider the philosophical underpinnings of their political positions. Politics is an extension of philosophy/religion (Philosophy and religion address, ask and answer the same types of questions..they just do it from different starting points). Fundamentally, politics is an extension of individual morality/ethics (clearly reflected in religious teaching) to the group(not nearly so clearly defined, at least in Christianity). Politics is group morality and ethics.

The 'right' in this country derives its politics from a Judeo-Christian morality and philosophy. The 'left' in this country derives its politics from Kantian philosophy (which is the philosophical basis of socialism). They aren't necessarily socialists, but they share the same basic starting point, and end up somewhere pretty close. It is a difference of degree rather than of principle.

I am personally in neither camp...I am in a very tiny minority. The best way to describe where I come from is that our founding fathers were motivated and inspired by both their religion and their philosophy. I share their philosophy. The right today shares their religion. The left shares neither. Despite my differences with the 'religious right' I am allied with you. You and I can live together and respect each others rights...as demonstrated by the early years of our Republic. Neither of us can 'live with' the left because their conception of 'rights' is fundamentally in conflict.

But what is sad and dangerous is that the left is steadily advancing. At the best of times (like now with an R President, R Senate, R House and at least nominally R Supreme Court) the left doesn't advance...but it doesn't truly go back either. I can't think of any ground the left has taken that we have ever 'taken back' The closest is with welfare reform where we cut spending, but only on the condition that we acknowledge that welfare is permanent. We didn't oppose welfare. We didn't declare that is improper to seize the private property of some citizens to distribute to others...the right fought to 'save welfare'

The other thing that I find disheartening is the education system. The very vast majority of students are being indoctrinated with Kantian philosophy. Try teaching how Jesus determined right from wrong in school. But they are taught how to make judgments based on Kant every day. When people talk about morality, they generally think about the 'big picture' and obvious questions like killing. But EVERY judgment is based on the underpinnings. Not just whether or not abortion is murder, but what career to pursue. What time should you get up in the morning? That is a judgment, and a decision, and we all have to answer the question some how.

What is troubling is that so many are being indoctrinated. At best, the next generation strikes a balance between the religious conceptions they get from family and the Kantian philosophy. But what happens in the generation after that when the balance is further to the left? The point is that the left recognizes that they cannot be upfront with the American people because they would be rejected, so they go for slow steady incremental change. And that is exactly what they are doing.

The point that many don't recognize on this thread is that this a monumental ideological struggle. Most here don't quite recognize it as an ideological struggle. You very well may recognize that, but don't recognize that it is a struggle because you are so confident in your ideology/religion.

This 21 stuff is not the apex, but it is emblematic of it. Most people don't legitimately understand the philosophical (and religious) underpinnings of the struggle.

Let me try to build on your Tolkeinesque handle. Imagine the struggle against evil without the council of Elrond, or the alliances between Rohan and Gondor and the elves and the dwarves. That is what we face...the left is organized and advancing steadily, the right is not. All is not lost, but we do have to recognize that we are in a fight, and we have to organize to fight it.

[Little Ray]

As you suggest, the UN can't enforce a bloody thing. However, there are traitors within our own government who will do to the US what the UN cannot.

[blanknoone]

Sorry for both the huge post and the second post. There was a point I alluded to, but never quite made that I think is important. You are right that the UN is a bunch of incompetent buffoons. But the struggle is not against the UN. The UN is a pawn in the game. It is a struggle of ideology. People don't do what they do 'for the UN'. They do what they think is right. The problem is what many think is right...is wrong. And the UN is teaching that that wrong is right, along with our educational establishment, the environmentalist movements, the 'feminist' movement, the 'peace' movement, the labor movement (unions) etc etc &c. And just about the only bulwark America has left, its religous institutions, don't juxtapose their positions with all those listed and show why they are wrong (with the limited exception of the feminists on the one issue of abortion).

[freeangel]

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