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Freemasonry's Influence in Europe
Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs

Incompatible With Christian Religion, Says Historian

MADRID, Spain, JAN. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- To understand what is happening in Europe, the phenomenon of Masonry must be taken into account, says Protestant historian César Vidal.

The director of the program "La Linterna" of the Spanish bishops' COPE radio network, Vidal has just written a book, "Los Masones: La Historia de la Sociedad Secreta Más Poderosa" (The Freemasons: History of the Most Powerful Secret Society), published by Planeta.

Among other things, the book addresses the Masonic influence in the most important events of recent Spanish history, especially since the election last March of the Spanish Socialist Labor Party (PSOE).

Vidal says that "the secularist current promoted by the government headed by José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero shares more than enough Masonry's rank anti-clericalism."

The author explains that the Freemasons have an enormous role in the European Union and, by way of example, says that "the project of the European Constitution has been driven by a Freemason," Valéry Giscard D'Estaing, "who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the churches of the different nations but frees 'philosophical organizations' from that obligation."

Vidal has doctorates in history, philosophy and theology, and a law degree.

Q: Which outstanding personalities in Spain were and are Masons, a fact known by very few people?

Vidal: The list would be too long and some, only some, are mentioned in my book "The Freemasons." Suffice it to say by way of illustration that the Grand Master of the great Spanish east is Dr. Josep Corominas, PSOE deputy; that the special five-member commission that established Felipe González as the PSOE's secretary-general has three Masons among its members -- one of them the future president of the Senate -- and that Rodríguez Zapatero's grandfather was a Freemason.

Q: Can it be said that Masonry is behind the secularist current that is being witnessed in Spain?

Vidal: What can be said without danger of exaggeration is that the secularist current promoted by the government that José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero heads shares, more than enough, Masonry's rank anti-clericalism.

Q: What role does it have and might have in the European Union?

Vidal: Enormous if one takes into account that the project of the European Constitution has been promoted by a Freemason who has excluded mention of the continent's Christian roots and, in addition, has insisted on the inclusion of an article that subjects the Churches to the different nations but frees "philosophical organizations" from that obligation.

Q: In what way, over the last century, has Masonry been present in the history of Spain?

Vidal: Repeatedly and lamentably. A very important role must be attributed to Masonry in the pro-independence movements of Cuba and the Philippines, in anti-clerical and secularist campaigns, in the erosion of the parliamentary monarchy of the Restoration, going so far as to take recourse to terrorism, in the proclamation of the Second Republic and, very especially, in the redaction of a Republican Constitution which created a social break that led to the Civil War.

Q: Can you tell us about concrete events that prove its struggle against Catholicism?

Vidal: That is the history of Masonry since the 18th century, but suffice it to recall, by way of example, that Rodolfo Llopis, Freemason and Socialist, became secretary-general of the PSOE [and] promoted the anti-Christian educational legislation of the Second Republic; or scandals such as that of the Banca Ambrosiana which were linked directly to the Masons' action.

Q: What were Masonry's origins?

Vidal: The real origins of Masonry date back to the end of the 17th and early 18th centuries, when groups of individuals attracted by occult gnosis founded meeting places in which, supposedly, it was transmitted.

Of course, they talk about origins that refer to pagan religions, to gnosis, to a nonexistent personality of Solomon's time and also to the druids.

Q: What are its most characteristic features, objectives and present structure? Is it a religion?

Vidal: Though Freemasons deny it, the truth is that the Masonic cosmo-vision is not one proper to a philanthropic society as they often say, but that of a religion. That circumstance explains, precisely, the repeated condemnations of the Holy See and of the other Christian confessions, which consider membership in Masonry incompatible with Christianity.

Masonry might be described as a secret society, with an initiative structure, a gnostic cosmo-vision, and an existential manifestation which makes it easy for its members to help one another when it comes to occupying important posts in society.

Q: What percentage of Freemasons are there at present?

Vidal: Without a doubt, very small. In France it is said that they are not more than 0.6% of the population. However, that has not prevented their controlling the Socialist International or their spreading in the Right itself, through personalities such as Giscard D'Estaing.

Q: In what vital points of our society -- especially in economic, political and intellectual circles and the media -- are Freemasons present?

Vidal: There are sectors that have always been of interest to Freemasons. Needless to say, politics where they control the Socialist International and have entered powerfully in parties of the Right. No less is their weight in the world of communications and, very especially, their interest in education, justice and the armed forces.

In France, for example, the "affaire des fiches" revealed to what extent Masonic officers were promoted and Catholics, on the contrary, blocked from promotion. ZE05013020


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To: nopardons
You doing okay ?

Depends on who ya ask. ;-)

141 posted on 01/31/2005 7:40:03 PM PST by uglybiker (SPES MEA IN DEO EST)
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To: snowman1
I am a Christian, and also a 32 degree KCCH Mason.

My instructor when I went through the three degrees was a retired Methodist minister, my sponsor for the recognition of the KCCH taught Sunday school in a Baptist Church for many years.

As you and I know, the Masons teach brotherhood, and ethical values.

Freemasonry is by no means a religion.

Perhaps our Catholic slammers need to read William Manchester's book a World Lit Only By Fire.

142 posted on 01/31/2005 7:53:46 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: television is just wrong
The Mason can only make a good man better, but that's all.

The SOB that stole from your family should have been expelled before being put in jail.

143 posted on 01/31/2005 7:57:23 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: TheLion
I'm sure you are correct. I never thought about that part of it before. But then,there are the sackcloth and ashes religious,who feel that it is somehow incumbent upon them to go off on some bizarre religious crusade and call down the wrath of GOD on Masons,who are probably far closer to what GOD demands of us,than they are.Unfortunately,on this thread,we have a poster who combines both of these positions.
144 posted on 01/31/2005 7:57:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: uglybiker

LOL! :-)


145 posted on 01/31/2005 7:57:59 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

If the painting has nothing to do with Freemasonry, I'm wondering why it was posted. (Then again, it's late at night, and I'm headed for bed. G'nite all!)


146 posted on 01/31/2005 7:59:53 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Ciexyz
Who knows WHY it was posted,except the poster? As I said,it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with FreeMasonry and you may take that to the bank.

Pleasant dreams.........................

147 posted on 01/31/2005 8:05:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; All
Thanks for the ping.

I haven't had time to read the posts on this thread. I expect it's the same old same old, though.

Until I get through it, I'll just say this:

I doubt any of the criticisms launched so blithely from keyboards would be made to the individual faces of all the very honorable and devoutly Christian Masons I know.

Men who Love the Lord with all their heart.

Men who study their Bibles and work on their Christian walk.

Men who give to their community, who honor their marital vows and are involved fathers - truly good spiritual heads of their households. If they falter, other Masons call them to account.

Trees are known by their fruit. The fruits of honor and integrity put forth by Masons belie the condemnations cast by tinfoil conspiracy theorists and hyper-religious nitpickers.


I'd say the last two groups are the real enemy to the witness of Christ.
148 posted on 01/31/2005 8:15:04 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: ExSoldier
Oooooooooooooo...it's even worse that you imagine! *snicker*

One Shrine lodge is named MECCA and another is called MEDINA!

Are members of THE ODD FELLOWS queer?

Do THE MOOSE worship moose? maybe they eat cheese and bite their sisters...hunh?

What about THE ROTARY? Do they drive around in circles?

Hey...what about THE LIONS?

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...secret societies are soooooooooooooo scary and "evil",aren't they? ROTFLOL

I pity your students!No wonder so many of today's kids don't know history at all and are so open to believing propaganda.

If you teach world history,you need to learn some,before you step into the classroom again and post to FR! You've already been called on the carpet,on this thread,for misrepresenting historical facts.The depth of your knowledge isn't impressive at all. Are you tenured?

149 posted on 01/31/2005 8:20:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Trinity_Tx
Beautifully put! Thank you SO very much for ansering the ping. :-)

Long time no see,my FRiend. I hope that all is well with you and yours.

150 posted on 01/31/2005 8:23:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Fine. But YOU can't change FR rules. You can't follow me around the site. No jumping threads, right? I've never in my life hit the abuse button, but you freaks start stalking me all over the site and I will have to do that. I've been around here for awhile, too. I have buddies, too. So, let's just drop this thread. We've all made our points, we all disagree with each other, fine. Let's leave it until we meet on another Field of Honor....okay?
151 posted on 01/31/2005 8:28:11 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
"Because deep down inside you know that when a neophyte takes the Apprentice degree and is blindfolded, left foot, knee and breast bared and kneeling....he is asked "WHAT DO YOU SEEK?" Well, HE doesn't know and the prompt of course is light. Well, we both know, don't we that the light they're talking about AIN'T the light of JESUS CHRIST, don't we? What does Luicifer mean, btw? Bringer of the LIGHT, hey?"

Are you saying you took the apprentice degree believing you were at least claiming to seek Satan?
152 posted on 01/31/2005 8:30:54 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: nopardons
Are you tenured?

You Betcha.

153 posted on 01/31/2005 8:32:53 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: AncientAirs

BTTT


154 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:41 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ExSoldier
I've been here longer than you have.

I have more friends here than you do!

Happy now,that we've played your childish game?

How,many people have YOU stalked?

You sound very paranoid,Ex.You threaten me,you try to shut me up,and now you think I'm going to follow you around FR? You're afraid of everything and everyone...aren't you? ROTFLMSOPIMP

I haven't ever "stalked" anyone here. And by all means,go hit that abuse button and see just how far that gets you. LOL

You're a sniveling coward,a liar,and now you want to just drop this (again [?]...you said good night quite a bit ago!),because you can't handle being refuted and not praised.

Now,just disappear;unless you want to keep getting taken to the woodshed. :-)

155 posted on 01/31/2005 8:45:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ExSoldier

Pity that and in spades!


156 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ExSoldier
Hey ExSoldier, maybe you can fool some of the people who are not Masons but I AM a Mason and I'm calling you a liar. You are NOT a mason and never have been. You may have read some of the many books available on Freemasonry but you have NO real knowledge of our fraternity. I have read many books on Masonry but I don't recall reading the ones you refer to. There are numerous Anti-Masonic books that paint an evil picture of Freemasonry. You must have read many of those books that twisted you pea size brain. You say that your reasons for quiting Masonry are too personal and wounding to discuss in public. You mean that you have NO reasons because you have never been a Mason. You can't give one valid reason acceptable to a REAL Mason. The only reason you can give is the influx of middle-easterners joining the fraternity. They have always been able to join and there has NOT been an influx. Are they not children of God as us Christians? They get investigated just like I was and all other Masons. If they were terrorist as you imply, they would have been found out and not admitted for membership. You show your ignorance by pointing to an influx of middle-easterners.
157 posted on 01/31/2005 9:03:46 PM PST by quendi (Quendi)
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To: PresbyRev
Awesome post. Bless you.

One thing that always strikes me in these threads is the honorable way in which Masons comport themselves compared to the ranting conspiracy theorists and Christians who can't put their religious nitpicky dogma in a spiritual perspective.

Again - trees and fruit.

As a daughter, granddaughter, and niece of many Masons and Shriners, I'll try to behave myself as they would wish me to here.

(It's very hard though, to not lose my temper in the face of such vile accusations made by those who don't even know them. So, I promise nothing. lol)


You wrote, in part:

You impugn good men who honor God.

Every Shrine meeting I have been to, including initiation, has had prayer made in the name of Jesus Christ.

Muslims hate Freemasonry (as do all who defend tyranny whether in religion or the state). In fact, Islamists bombed a Masonic Lodge in Turkey not too long ago. Muslims hate the Shriners and believe it is a mockery of their religion.

... How could you have made solemn vows before and confessed faith and belief in God when by your own admission you were fleeing His presence? From your own testimony, it does sound like you were in a conflicted and confused spiritual condition which no doubt contributed to your later dramatic decisions.

Friend, I speak from my own experience as you do from yours - I have read widely in Masonic as well as anti-Masonic literature. I am a Freemason. I am a Shriner.I understand what orthodox Christian theology is and is not.
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To care for widows and orphans and those in distress is the very definition of real and acceptable religion before God. Freemasonry supports all that the Church teaches are the duties of the confessing disciple of Jesus Christ.

158 posted on 01/31/2005 9:11:35 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: oldtimer

Thank you, Mr oldtimer. You have my respects, sir.


159 posted on 01/31/2005 9:22:35 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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