Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
Can natural occurrences explain how planes fly?
At one time man thought not. Then we learned those principles. That is science. To take us in the direction of knowledge, not to shut us off to "God did it". If we took that attitude, you would not be posting tonight. More than likely your genetic train would have been broken long ago and you would not exist.
I am also a believer in ID/Creation. Since neither evolution not ID/Creation can be duplicated and thus not proved with 100 percent certainty, a degree of faith is required to believe in either model (they are not theories, as you must realize). Without the possibility of proving either model, one is left to examine the evidence. There is plenty of evidence to casts serious doubts on the evolution model; so much that it would take a great deal of faith to believe it offers a rational explanation.
ID/Creation cannot be proven in a positive sense. While I may seem far-fetched to many on the surface, having faith in it is a viable position if for no other reason than that the statistical odds against evolution are so great as to be incomprehensible.
This does nothing to 'prove' ID/Creation, but if evolution is eliminated, it leaves ID/Creation as the only viable possibility, unless someone can come up with another possibility; one i have yet to see put forth.
Aside from this, my belief in ID/Creation rests primarily with the consistencies and historical truth of the Bible that are so persuasive, at least in my mind, that belief in ID/Creation isn't much more of a stretch. Sure, believing in ID requires some faith, but not nearly as much faith as belief in evolution.
And the creationists say we have foul mouths. It must be the It must be the Lord's day.
Well, points for style anyway -- that one had a flavor of the good old-fashioned fire and brimstone. Can't you just hear William Jennings Bryan delivering that one in his prime?
Please explain how consciousness came to be.
Oooookay... This one's so over the top I suspect a parody, but if you're really serious, post #158 is next on your reading list.
No parody mate. The time is up for bullshit theories of the universe and how it all works.
Feel free to show where I've done that.
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Can science study anything that isn't a natural occurance? Can you point to anything in physics, biology, astronomy, geology, or chemistry that isn't the result of assuming that phenomena are regular?
Temper, temper, dear scholar.
You call a creationist's claims absurd, yet employ the very same tactic; namely asserting your belief as an unassailable fact. Am I to simply accept this italicized claim? Is your "proof" buried somewhere in your mountain of links?
I guess you have given me a little light reading to peruse while I'm waiting for the worms . . .
It is not the part of a free people to discard matters of reason or faith for the sake of political expedience, or out of a concern for what other people think. If this is the motivation behind those who promote the philosophy of evolution as a necessity in the basic science classroom, then they may kindly take their position next to that of the Taliban.
Meanwhile there is no such thing as a "theory of evolution." There are not enough scientific facts to back it up. What you have is a philosophy couched in scientific terms, for it is nothing more than a hopeful recapitulation of history that is not, and cannot be, the object of empirical science. Even a little child knows that just because two things look the same they do not necessarily have a common source. Evolution, insofar as it attempts to tell history beyond what has been recorded by man, does not deserve to have the word "theory" associated with it.
Educated fools are nothing new. Let them keep their philosphies in a classroom of their own so the curious can partake as they wish, but please do not consider the rest of the world stupid for rejecting the charade. 1
1 Fester Chugabrew 1/30/2005 Freep City
Don't hold your breath. The lurkers (and Democrat quote-miners) can draw their own conclusions.
Then "whoo, boy..."
The time is up for bullshit theories of the universe and how it all works.
Okay, thanks for the bulletin. If I see any "bullshit theories of the universe and how it all works" pass by, I'll be sure to tell them. I think I might have caught a whiff of one in the vicinity of post #749, though.
I wondered if that might be what he meant.
I've never seen dark matter or anti-matter either and I doubt if he has either.
But that don't mean that I don't believe in them. There are a lot of good scientist working on it that know a lot more about it than I do.
I have respect for anyone who works hard and is honest whether he shines shoes or is rocket scientist.
My problem starts when some one who is supposed to be a scientist someone who is supposed to seek the truth starts to promote theory as absolute truth or disagrees with the beliefs of another simply because it doesn't agree with his personal bias's.
A large amount of the content of the Bible has been proved true by archaeologist in the last couple hundred years .
Scientist have even used it's content to make archaeological discoveries.
No book in the history of the world has been so scrutinized as it.
There have even been scientists and doctors who have set out to prove it wrong who ended up believing it the be the word of God.
I myself have read thousands of books on all kinds of subjects but in a over forty year study of the Bible I have found no other written word that makes the tremendous claims that it makes and then proceeds to stand up to them.
If you approach a serious study of it in the proper spirit you can spend a life time and never even come close to exhausting the truths in it.
This alone tells me that it is from beyond our time domain.
God in his word says that He proves that it is from Him by the fact that he tells then end from the beginning and that no other so called God can do this.
I have not found It to be wrong.
I have found it to be misquoted, misunderstood and parts of it not understood yet because it is not time. But I have not found it to be wrong. Only a lack of understanding on my part or others.
Now if someone has not engaged in a complete and through study of it they should not condemn those [or it]before they do.Most who dispute it's claims have never even opened or at the most used it for a paper weight.
It has laid out the whole history of Israel several thousand years in advance and most of it can be verified by scientific and secular history. There are still more prophecies yet to come. The next is the mess in the middle east between Israel and the nations around it that nobody has been able or will be able to solve. Well it's going to be.
Even if you choose not to believe that there is a God it is a fascinating study of history and a people's struggle and accurate predictions that will astound.
The Iliad is "right" about Troy. Is it reliable about the Greek Gods?
I have no great impulse to prove the Bible wrong. But I don't think all of it is literal history, any more than the parables are literal history.
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