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To: Ichneumon
Read your link. Interesting.

I wondered if that might be what he meant.

I've never seen dark matter or anti-matter either and I doubt if he has either.

But that don't mean that I don't believe in them. There are a lot of good scientist working on it that know a lot more about it than I do.

I have respect for anyone who works hard and is honest whether he shines shoes or is rocket scientist.

My problem starts when some one who is supposed to be a scientist someone who is supposed to seek the truth starts to promote theory as absolute truth or disagrees with the beliefs of another simply because it doesn't agree with his personal bias's.

A large amount of the content of the Bible has been proved true by archaeologist in the last couple hundred years .

Scientist have even used it's content to make archaeological discoveries.

No book in the history of the world has been so scrutinized as it.

There have even been scientists and doctors who have set out to prove it wrong who ended up believing it the be the word of God.

I myself have read thousands of books on all kinds of subjects but in a over forty year study of the Bible I have found no other written word that makes the tremendous claims that it makes and then proceeds to stand up to them.

If you approach a serious study of it in the proper spirit you can spend a life time and never even come close to exhausting the truths in it.

This alone tells me that it is from beyond our time domain.

God in his word says that He proves that it is from Him by the fact that he tells then end from the beginning and that no other so called God can do this.

I have not found It to be wrong.

I have found it to be misquoted, misunderstood and parts of it not understood yet because it is not time. But I have not found it to be wrong. Only a lack of understanding on my part or others.

Now if someone has not engaged in a complete and through study of it they should not condemn those [or it]before they do.Most who dispute it's claims have never even opened or at the most used it for a paper weight.

It has laid out the whole history of Israel several thousand years in advance and most of it can be verified by scientific and secular history. There are still more prophecies yet to come. The next is the mess in the middle east between Israel and the nations around it that nobody has been able or will be able to solve. Well it's going to be.

Even if you choose not to believe that there is a God it is a fascinating study of history and a people's struggle and accurate predictions that will astound.

758 posted on 01/30/2005 9:43:39 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: mississippi red-neck
I have not found It to be wrong.

The Iliad is "right" about Troy. Is it reliable about the Greek Gods?

I have no great impulse to prove the Bible wrong. But I don't think all of it is literal history, any more than the parables are literal history.

760 posted on 01/30/2005 9:52:26 PM PST by js1138
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To: mississippi red-neck
My problem starts when some one who is supposed to be a scientist someone who is supposed to seek the truth starts to promote theory as absolute truth or disagrees with the beliefs of another simply because it doesn't agree with his personal bias's.

I'll agree with you 100% there. But since I don't know any scientists who actually do that, I don't see how that's relevant here. And yes, I've seen the anti-evolutionist mantra that this is somehow common among scientists or ubuitous among evolutionists or whatever -- it's horse manure.

On the other hand, do *not* expect me or anyone else with a working brain to sit idly by and let some arrogant empty-headed ass prattle on saying things that are COMPLETE FALSEHOODS in his smug attempt to prop up his own beliefs by telling childish untruths about someone *else's* position which he finds somehow threatening to his own.

I'm not naive enough to believe that I have "absolute truth", but I sure as hell know how to recognize absolute horsecrap when it's being flung in my face, or when someone's making false accusations that even his OWN SOURCE MATERIAL doesn't support, or making claims in DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO REALITY, and so on.

Quite frankly, the only folks I see claiming to have "absolute truth" while outrageously lying in order to attack people "because they don't agree with his personal biases" are the anti-evolutionists. (Well, okay, and liberals.) And you don't have to go farther than this *one* thread for multiple examples.

I don't fault anyone for holding different positions than I do. But I'm not about to let anyone smear horsecrap in my face and tell me they're gracing me with rose petals, and that *I'm* the one hauling around bags of manure and stinking up the room.

The anti-evolutionists have built a whole edifice upon attacking all of evolutionary biology as "lies, all lies", and its adherents and practitioners as "liars, all liars" -- while the anti-evolutionists themselves tell one outrageous whopper after another due to their nearly complete ignorance of the *actual* field they're attacking (not their cartoon caricature of it), and their amazing lack of concern for standards of truth or evidence (again, just look over this thread for examples at hand).

I've frankly had quite enough of it.

A large amount of the content of the Bible has been proved true by archaeologist in the last couple hundred years . [megasnip] Even if you choose not to believe that there is a God it is a fascinating study of history and a people's struggle and accurate predictions that will astound.

I appreciate your beliefs, and have no desire to debate them if you find them of value.

But nothing you've said changes the points I've made on this thread regarding the robust state of evolutionary biology, and the shockingly unethical behavior of those who make a habit of attacking it without knowing nearly as much as they think they do in their arrogance -- and much of what they do "know" is flat wrong.

774 posted on 01/30/2005 10:53:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: mississippi red-neck
The Old Testament is layered with many divine truths interspersed with historical records such as lots of characters, dates, places, events, quotes, laws etc. etc.

The subject of prophecy in the Old Testament is little understood by most people. It takes years of study and certain life experiences to understand the prophetic parts of the Real Testament.

The prophecies said that at some point in human history a male figure would be revealed as the righteous redeemer, prince of peace, anointed one.
924 posted on 01/31/2005 1:14:58 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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