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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: Alamo-Girl
there =the

I agree with you on the importance of the questions. Some might rephrase it "what is the meaning of life?" but the point is the same.

One might wonder what the purpose of a worldview would be if not to answer these questions. Acquire power? Certainly not to discover the truth since it tends to hide or deny the truth.

2,281 posted on 02/15/2005 8:28:07 AM PST by Dataman
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To: metacognative

bump to read later


2,282 posted on 02/15/2005 8:29:04 AM PST by meema
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To: Alamo-Girl
I agree with you on the importance of the questions. Some might rephrase it "what is the meaning of life?" but the point is the same.

Who are we?

Why are we here?

Where shall we have lunch?

"42" !

Cheers! Full Disclosure: I had to be the first one to answer that way!

2,283 posted on 02/15/2005 8:31:02 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Dataman
One might wonder what the purpose of a worldview would be if not to answer these questions. Acquire power? Certainly not to discover the truth since it tends to hide or deny the truth.

Indeed. Perhaps the purpose is to deny God by not looking?

2,284 posted on 02/15/2005 8:51:47 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: grey_whiskers
LOLOL! Thanks for the chuckle.
2,285 posted on 02/15/2005 8:52:23 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dataman; Alamo-Girl; marron; cornelis; snarks_when_bored; PatrickHenry; StJacques; betty boop

One might wonder what the purpose of a worldview would be if not to answer these questions. Acquire power? Certainly not to discover the truth since it tends to hide or deny the truth.
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if we were to take the three forms of truth suggested on this board: ie philosophical, theological, scientific--and x out scientific--which by definition is explicitely quantifiable...- Then I think it would be appropriate to say that in the cases of both theological and philosophical truth-- truth without love is not truth. Inversely, love without truth is not love.


2,286 posted on 02/15/2005 9:42:19 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
truth without love is not truth.

Truth is that which corresponds to reality. If someone decides to inflict injury on you by revealing some hidden secret of your past or your parents' past, there may not be love but there still is truth.

2,287 posted on 02/15/2005 9:47:30 AM PST by Dataman
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To: ckilmer; Dataman
Thank you so much for your post!

ckilmer: Then I think it would be appropriate to say that in the cases of both theological and philosophical truth-- truth without love is not truth. Inversely, love without truth is not love.

Indeed, but I would capitalize it. Truth without Love is not Truth; Love without Truth is not Love.

Dataman: Truth is that which corresponds to reality.

Also very interesting. One's concept of reality, i.e. what is "all that there is" will have everything to do his concept of truth or Truth.

2,288 posted on 02/15/2005 10:07:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
One's concept of reality, i.e. what is "all that there is" will have everything to do his concept of truth or Truth.

That is why I suspected messing with "reality" is a back-door attempt at "changing" truth. Ultimately, there exist first principles from which reality can be "realized." Once someone questions those first principles, he undermines the platform from which the questions were launched.

The simple truth definition, BTW, is borrowed from Dr. Geisler.

2,289 posted on 02/15/2005 10:41:37 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman; betty boop; ckilmer
Thank you for your reply!

That is why I suspected messing with "reality" is a back-door attempt at "changing" truth. Ultimately, there exist first principles from which reality can be "realized." Once someone questions those first principles, he undermines the platform from which the questions were launched.

Indeed. Once upon a time, on a thread far far away, betty boop and I engaged the correspondents here to do a survey of the concepts of reality ("all that there is"). You might find the results telling:

To a metaphysical naturalist, "reality" is all that exists in nature

To an autonomist "reality" is all that is, the way it is

To an objectivist "reality" is that which exists

To tpaine, “reality” is all about us, and it is best defined by the bad things that happen when it is ignored.

To a mystic "reality" may include thought as substantive force and hence, a part of "reality"

To Plato "reality" includes constructs such as redness, chairness, numbers, geometry and pi

To Aristotle these constructs are not part of "reality" but merely language

To some physicists, "reality" is the illusion of quantum mechanics

To Christians "reality" is God's will and unknowable in its fullness.


2,290 posted on 02/15/2005 11:34:01 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

To the Antediluvians, reality was that Noah was nuts... until the rain began to fall. So their reality wasn't really reality, was it? In the same way, other contradictory "realities" will vanish quickly when the soul leaves the body.


2,291 posted on 02/15/2005 11:45:10 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
Great points, Dataman! Thank you!
2,292 posted on 02/15/2005 11:47:57 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dataman

truth without love is not truth.

Truth is that which corresponds to reality. If someone decides to inflict injury on you by revealing some hidden secret of your past or your parents' past, there may not be love but there still is truth.
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ok this example rules out philosophical truth as being a place where the propostion: "truth without love is not truth and inversely love with truth is not love"-- holds true.

I had actually heard this point in the context of some theological propositions--and tried to stretch it over to philosophy. That won't do. So for neither philosophical or scientific truth is the above proposition true.

Since God does not change--I would be interested in seeing your refutation of the proposition in the context of theological truth.


2,293 posted on 02/15/2005 12:34:38 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Dataman; Alamo-Girl

To the Antediluvians, reality was that Noah was nuts... until the rain began to fall. So their reality wasn't really reality, was it? In the same way, other contradictory "realities" will vanish quickly when the soul leaves the body.
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the trouble with this statement is that you have to be beyond the grave to evaluate it properly. In fact, by Grace there is one who has done just that.
1 Peter 3 (New International Version)
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[d] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also–not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge[e] of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand–with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.



2,294 posted on 02/15/2005 8:16:01 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer; Dataman
the trouble with this statement is that you have to be beyond the grave to evaluate it properly.

Indeed. That is what I understood Dataman to mean when he said "In the same way, other contradictory "realities" will vanish quickly when the soul leaves the body."

Thank you for your post and for the excellent choice of Scripture!

2,295 posted on 02/15/2005 9:48:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl,
I did not respond a while back because you ignored my post. You are more interested in propagating information than engaging in real dialog.

Do you even know what a spontaneous process is? I doubt it! Do you know the relevance of spontaneous processes in the debate concerning thermodynamics?

There are a number of ways to define information and the method chosen depends on the purpose of the analysis. Dembski's method is perfectly legitimate and is useful in distinguishing design! It is intrinsically intertwined with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, though the elucidation of the connection remains yet to be completed.
2,296 posted on 02/22/2005 8:35:13 PM PST by nasamn777 (The emperor wears no clothes -- I am sorry to tell you!)
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To: nasamn777
Thank you for your reply!

I did not respond a while back because you ignored my post. You are more interested in propagating information than engaging in real dialog.

I have no idea which post I have ignored. Please provide a post number or link.

On your other points – yes, I do understand thermodynamic entropy v Shannon entropy v Kolmogorov entropy. Yes, I do understand the concept of spontaneous and non-spontaneous processes (and have used your refrigerator example several times to make the point, btw).

Wrt Dembski, I am a strong supporter of Intelligent Design arguments – I do not however believe that anyone mortal is infallible. IMHO, Dembski made two errors.

One, he introduced a new type of complexity (irreducible) which was not necessary and in doing so gave the anti-ID crowd something else to argue about. He could have used functional complexity to make the same point, for instance.

Two, he misappropriated the word “information”. Information is an action, not a message – the meaning or value of the message has no bearing at all on information theory. Claude Shannon is the “father” of information theory and that is his definition of the term. It makes a huge difference when arguing with bio/chemists who prefer to focus on the DNA (message) when the prime issue is the successful communication, the will to live – or as you prefer to argue it as a package, the non-spontaneous process.

2,297 posted on 02/22/2005 10:03:58 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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