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Peggy Noonan: Way Too Much God (Freepers let's tell her our thoughts)
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| 1/21/05
| Peggy Noonan
Posted on 01/21/2005 4:19:45 AM PST by Mikmur
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To: Mikmur
Hey Peggy. Way to much *yawn*.
You shouldn't criticize mention of the Almighty, in season or out of season. He gave you your writing talents, after all. The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Lord.
(oh, sorry, too much "God" in this post.)
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posted on
01/21/2005 6:55:50 AM PST
by
Antoninus
(In hoc sign, vinces †)
To: Mikmur
Peggy better pray that Bush wins the war on terror. Otherwise talk like this will behead poor Peggy.
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posted on
01/21/2005 6:56:43 AM PST
by
joyful1
To: Mikmur
The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech.It's obvious she ain't got a clue what it's like to have a true walk with OUR LORD, it's all about HIM - JESUS.
I LOVED IT....I LOVED IT...WAY TO GO MR. PRESIDENT....
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posted on
01/21/2005 6:57:25 AM PST
by
shield
(The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
To: skeeter
Peggy's problem is not too much God, its too much Peggy. You summed it up perfectly, in fewer words than I ever could!
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posted on
01/21/2005 6:57:41 AM PST
by
paulat
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To: ArGee
Frankly, I consider your unwillingness to consider that He must be the motiviator behind a believer's life more dangerous than any believer.You are leaping to unwarranted conclusions. In a politician I want less of the "I am hearing voices" stuff and more specifics of what the voices are telling him to do. I don't need him to assert that he is following God or Christ. I need to know what he intends to do and then I can decide whether I believe that he is following God or Christ.
To: buzznut
Some places simply CAN'T be democratized (the Arab World, Sub saharan Africa come to mind); their cultures won't allow it, for all they understand and respect is rule by a strong man, a chieftain.... Trying to teach democracy to an Arab or an African is like trying to teach a rooster to sing like a canary.
Your absolutely right in many respects, buzznut, but here's hoping Iraq is not one of those places. Don't forget the Arab world at least, at one point in time, was considered very cultured and civilized. Former English colonies typically have the best chance of making the transition to some sort of democracy (India, for example.) Next, where the citizens have been allowed to be educated abroad. A lot of Arabs have been educated in the US. Whether reason and free markets can prevail and overthrow the ignorant Islamo-fascists remains to be seen.
To: Mikmur
Isn't this the woman who coined the pharses "thousand points of light" and "shining city on a hill"? She has no business commenting that Bush's speech was over the top.
To: paulat
Thanks. I realized Peggy was 'round the bend when she dedicated almost half of her Reagan eulogy piece to a petty twenty year old squabble she had had with another WH speechwriter.
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:03:52 AM PST
by
skeeter
(OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
To: ArGee
Dear ArGee, this was not my post. Judgment was not my topic regarding Peggy. I took issue with claming Peggy was right and then comparing President Bush and Mommhamad on post #82.
To: Mikmur
If she thinks there's to much God now. Wait till she stands in judgment then she can file a complaint in person.
86 posted on 01/21/2005 5:54:28 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: Mikmur
isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic?
It absolutely, positively, most certainly is not!
Where on earth (prior to the ascension of of GWB) would you ever get such an idea? Bush makes Wilson look like a reasonable man.
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:04:57 AM PST
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: paulat
Without discussing content, Noonan STILL missed the purpose of the speech.So, let us turn the question around. Could you please tell us what you believe to have been the vision that Bush was trying to set forth, and then indicate what "content" supports your interpretation of that vision.
To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
So you liked Clinton's speeches too? I not even certain that Clinton ever had a particularly memorable (official) speech?...:-)
I do remember the SOTU speech in which he promised to give everything to everybody. I'm surprised I was able to sit through that one.
I also remember that Clinton spoke a little like a preacher and he really liked to use words in groups of three. For example, in his first inaugural address he said, "Americans have ever been a (1)restless, (2)questing, (3)hopeful people" and "(1)Our hopes, (2)our hearts, (3)our hands, are with those on every continent who are building democracy and freedom."
I certainly don't fault Noonan for letting us know her opinion. And, since Noonan was a speechwriter, she would be looking at Bush's speech from an entirely different point of view than mine.
In the end, I can't express how much I loved all the references Bush made to God. I love to see someone be "himself." And it seems like Bush was being Bush. You'd think that humanists would cheer Bush on, for being himself.
What did you think of Clinton's speeches?
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:06:34 AM PST
by
syriacus
(Title as Queen of the BOXER SNORTS goes to Sen. Babs for her performance on 1/19/2005)
To: MKM1960
I find Ms. Noonan's criticisms suspect. For heavens sake Andrew Sullivan liked it. Chrissy Matthews liked it. Sounds like jealousy to me. Yes, odd isn't it?
Only conservatives find his tirade chilling.
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:07:53 AM PST
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
To: iconoclast
"Where on earth (prior to the ascension of of GWB) would you ever get such an idea? Bush makes Wilson look like a reasonable man."
L O L
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To: AndyJackson
So, let us turn the question around. Could you please tell us what you believe to have been the vision that Bush was trying to set forth, and then indicate what "content" supports your interpretation of that vision. No.
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:09:07 AM PST
by
paulat
To: Grey Ghost II
Peggy said:
No one will remember what the president said about domestic policy, which was the subject of the last third of the text. This may prove to have been a miscalculation.She is right on the mark here. For those of us who are constitutional conservatives, this was an enormous miscalculation in my view.
To: paulat
No.Why am I not surprised?
To: buzznut
Good post and welcome to FR.
Don't let the jingoistic fundamentalists on here discourage you.
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posted on
01/21/2005 7:12:16 AM PST
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan.)
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