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Peggy Noonan: Way Too Much God
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 21, 2005 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/20/2005 9:33:31 PM PST by RWR8189

Was the president's speech a case of "mission inebriation"?

It was an interesting Inauguration Day. Washington had warmed up, the swift storm of the previous day had passed, the sky was overcast but the air wasn't painful in a wind-chill way, and the capital was full of men in cowboy hats and women in long furs. In fact, the night of the inaugural balls became known this year as The Night of the Long Furs.

Laura Bush's beauty has grown more obvious; she was chic in shades of white, and smiled warmly. The Bush daughters looked exactly as they are, beautiful and young. A well-behaved city was on its best behavior, everyone from cops to doormen to journalists eager to help visitors in any way.

For me there was some unexpected merriness. In my hotel the night before the inauguration, all the guests were evacuated at 1:45 in the morning. There were fire alarms and flashing lights on each floor, and a public address system instructed us to take the stairs, not the elevators. Hundreds of people wound up outside in the slush, eventually gathering inside the lobby, waiting to find out what next.

The staff--kindly, clucking--tried to figure out if the fire existed and, if so, where it was. Hundreds of inaugural revelers wound up observing each other. Over there on the couch was Warren Buffet in bright blue pajamas and a white hotel robe. James Baker was in trench coat and throat scarf. I remembered my keys and eyeglasses but walked out without my shoes. After a while the "all clear" came,

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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
it implies more globalism and wealth transfer and less liberty.

No, it doesn't.

201 posted on 01/21/2005 1:12:13 AM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: Howlin

Well, I woke up and checked the news, and here is a very disappointing Noonn column. I won't make a lengthy comment now, but I will tell you this: HERS will be the column that all the Rat pundits latch onto tomorrow. I bet she even gets quoted in the New York Times.


202 posted on 01/21/2005 1:12:43 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

None of us is an island complete, entire unto himself. Its a restatement of a passage by the English poet John Donne to effect that if we don't recognize how human life is sacred, that that which we seek within will die.


203 posted on 01/21/2005 1:13:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Howlin

Howlin, we know your routine. You criticize everybody here who does not wink at you, then when you are asked to give a real answer instead of some lame flame attack, you dodge the question.

Here is your second chance. We all know you will dodge this also, but at least we can say you were given a second chance.

Put a positive spin on this: "Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another."

Go ahead. Tell us we should be thrilled not to be independent (i.e., free; have liberty).

Are you going to dodge left? Or, are you going to dodge right?

For once in your Free Republic.com life, try a frontal assault on a question posed to you.


204 posted on 01/21/2005 1:15:39 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: AnnaZ

I keep thinking of the line from Hamlet about how all great enterprises and the pitch and movements of men are carried awry. President Bush is not a man prone to the danger of hubris. We are mortals subject to the Will Of God and our breath and our souls are in His Keeping, Blessed Be His Name.


205 posted on 01/21/2005 1:15:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

Peggy Noonan is all wrong on this one I am sorry to say.

Peggy, a Roman Catholic is obviously uncomfortable with
Protestants, especially Evangelicals.

She should have slept on this one, given it some more thought, and then opened her mouth.


206 posted on 01/21/2005 1:16:26 AM PST by PJBlogger (BEWARE HILLARY AND HER HINO)
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To: texasflower

We have had more globalism, wealth transfer and less liberty, but for some reason, you do not feel that President Bush's "Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another" implies more of the same.

I believe you have a case of "Inauguration fever". Good conservatives like Peggy Noonan and I were innoculated against that and have avoided catching that.


207 posted on 01/21/2005 1:20:07 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: PJBlogger; Howlin; A Citizen Reporter; Petronski
Well, I said I wasn't going to comment but here are some thoughts:

1. The Presidential Inaugural Committee is appointed by the President and is in charge of all things to do with the ceremony. The Chairman was Trent Lott, who was probably in charge of the music. I liked Orrin Hatch's song, disliked Ashcroft's. I was glad to hear "God of Our Fathers." Peggy knows who chose the songs, so why is this in the column about the President?

2. I dislike the story of the alarm at the hotel; it smacks of name dropping ("I was at the same hotel as Warren Buffett and James Baker") and is irrelevant to the point of the column.

3. Her criticisms of the speech are not so much stylistic, but rather critical of the content. She isn't griping about the phrases; her main criticism is that the President has chosen an impossible goal. Perhaps so, but although removal of all tyranny may be undoable, striving toward that goal will improve the world.

I find it "grating" that someone who writes for a living chooses to disguise as literary criticism her actual complaint about the speech: too much God and a big goal. Her complaint is about President Bush's dream for our nation and the world.

I will have more to say after I have gotten more sleep, but my last and personal opinion is that she has filled a column with one part self-importance, one part envy, and a huge dash of pessimism.

208 posted on 01/21/2005 1:37:26 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

No. I don't have a case of "Inauguration fever" as you put it.

You simply did not interpret that line correctly.


209 posted on 01/21/2005 1:38:57 AM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: Right Brother; Howlin

She did not sound this way at all right after the speech..I am stunned by her column..I did later hear her say "grating" and was astonished at her change of mind and tone.. Color me puzzled.


210 posted on 01/21/2005 1:39:07 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: PJBlogger; Howlin; A Citizen Reporter; Petronski

Oh, and one other thing. After all the left-wing talk about President Bush's past drinking, "mission inebiation" was a very odd choice of terms.


211 posted on 01/21/2005 1:39:31 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: RWR8189; Howlin
From Peggys article...

"And yet such promising moments were followed by this, the ending of the speech. "Renewed in our strength--tested, but not weary--we are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom."

This is--how else to put it?--over the top. It is the kind of sentence that makes you wonder if this White House did not, in the preparation period, have a case of what I have called in the past "mission inebriation." A sense that there are few legitimate boundaries to the desires born in the goodness of their good hearts."

Ive always liked Peggy Noonan. She has a solid track record as a conservative woman, with strong moral convictions, who has championed the cause of the unborn. Being attractive and intelligent doesnt hurt either!

Seriously, I think this is not one of Peggys best articles. Having said that, I also think she has a valid point. I think, with all due respects, since I'm not a published author like she is, that she doesn't state her key thesis particularly well. The point about the invocation of God is a distraction from her main thesis, which IMHO can be recast as follows:

George Bushs speech is an inspirational, emotional exposition of a deeply held conviction for human freedom...borne out of a strong moral conviction. It represents unbridled idealism, and optimism. But lurking in the shadows is a harsh reality associated with that idealism.

Bush is writing a mighty big check with his idealism. The people who will be cashing that check are our men and women in uniform, and the American taxpayers who will be footing the bill.

Is the price worth it to defend American freedom and the American way of life...absolutely. Is it worth it to defend other peoples freedom and culture...maybe..maybe not.

I fully support our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. I will fully support our efforts should we go into Iran, or Syria, or wherever...provided it is necessary to secure OUR peace and freedom.

I think that an open ended call to abolish tyranny can also cast our foreign policy into a realm we don't particularly want to go.

Example...Kosovo, Bosnia...the Clinton quagmire. We were there to liberate the Bosnians from the Serbs. It was a regional, ethnic conflict. Should we have gotten involved? Its a judgment call. I was against that war, as were others on this site.

Would we want to send our troops to defend another countries freedom if it was a UN sponsored mission?

All legitimate questions.

Don't use WWII as an example...we were attacked on Dec7 1941, and drawn into a war many American people were resisting. Should we have fought...absolutely. Were we there to liberate France...not particularly...we were there to defeat the Axis powers, who had declared war on us.

While McArthur felt a particular responsibility to return to the Philippines...our Marine grunts fought like hell to defeat the Japanese, not to liberate the Philippines per se. Its a distinction that I feel is important.

To dismiss these types of questions under the guise of Peggys deduced motives...is she jealous, bad hair day, etc...is doing this site and the conservative movement a disservice, in my view.
212 posted on 01/21/2005 1:41:32 AM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: RWR8189
From Bush's speech -- "God moves and chooses as He wills."

Amen, Mr. President.

Noonan's always been a prig.

213 posted on 01/21/2005 2:06:00 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dat Mon

I went back and read the speech..He did not imply that we were going to war to free the world..He talked about using our considerable influence to stand with those who want liberty..

It was an idealistic speech but not a sword rattler.

The point has been made over and over that we used to enable tyrants as a foreign policy move against an enemy..People here and on the left point that out..It was rampant during the cold war when the USSR and the US vied for spheres of influence..

.We cannot undo all that, it seemed quite necessary at the time, but we can gradually use it to encourage liberty in those countries where we have influence instead of continuing the same uncritical support.


214 posted on 01/21/2005 2:08:08 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Miss Marple

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/152ejgml.asp

Bush's Breakthrough
The president's second inaugural address smashes the wall between the idealists and the realists.



215 posted on 01/21/2005 2:29:47 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: RWR8189
Peggy Noonan: Way Too Much God

Wrong, Peggy. It's ALL about GOD.

216 posted on 01/21/2005 2:41:24 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Salvation
"I can't believe she is saying this."

Nor can I.

Carolyn

217 posted on 01/21/2005 3:08:50 AM PST by CDHart
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To: RWR8189
Also the caricature drawing that accompanied the article in the Wall Street Journal was either a blatant attempt to make President Bush look terrible, or the artist is just incompetent...
either way I think Noonan is playing on both sides of the isle, and the choice of the President's picture is a slap at him...
218 posted on 01/21/2005 3:12:31 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: Joann37

Now I understand the "sniffy" tone of her column....she's merely jealous.


219 posted on 01/21/2005 3:18:26 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: MEG33; Miss Marple; Caipirabob

Amusing, no? that she goes over the top in her critique of Bush's speech supposedly going over the top?

I agree with you, MEG; Bush made a thoughtful, determined, historic break with the past in this speech, wherein he makes our security and our idealism one and the same. Now it is not our policy to ignore the cancer of humanity in chains, while we prate on and bleed in wars about "security" alone, because our security is harmed by such, and because it is morally wrong to do so.

All he really did was recognize and highlight THE TRUTH of what goes on in this world, and his determination to deal with it on that truthful basis.

I heard her initial reaction, and she seemed sold that this was America at it's most traditionally optimistic best. She said Europeans say there's nothing we can do about the way of things in the world, while America always says, yes, maybe there is.
Something happened, in between there, perhaps to tick her off.

Whatever it was, no excuses, her piece is bunk. Coming from me, someone who has admired most of her efforts in the past.


220 posted on 01/21/2005 3:19:33 AM PST by txrangerette
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