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A Revolution in Evolution Is Underway
Thomas More Lawcenter ^ | Tue, Jan 18, 2005

Posted on 01/20/2005 12:54:58 PM PST by Jay777

ANN ARBOR, MI — The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwin’s theory of Evolution. In what has been called a “measured step”, ninth grade biology students in the Dover Area School District were read a four-paragraph statement Tuesday morning explaining that Darwin’s theory is not a fact and continues to be tested. The statement continued, “Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view.” Since the late 1950s advances in biochemistry and microbiology, information that Darwin did not have in the 1850s, have revealed that the machine like complexity of living cells - the fundamental unit of life- possessing the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems, suggests the theory of intelligent design as the best explanation for the origin of life and living cells.

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm representing the school district against an ACLU lawsuit, commented, “Biology students in this small town received perhaps the most balanced science education regarding Darwin’s theory of evolution than any other public school student in the nation. This is not a case of science versus religion, but science versus science, with credible scientists now determining that based upon scientific data, the theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of living cells.”

“It is ironic that the ACLU after having worked so hard to prevent the suppression of Darwin’s theory in the Scopes trial, is now doing everything it can to suppress any effort to challenge it,” continued Thompson.

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To: sevry

I'd give you some null hypotheses for the basic components comprising the theory that mutation and natural selection over time leads to speciation, but, having read enough of your posts to others, I realize this would be a wasted effort.


121 posted on 01/20/2005 2:31:02 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: King Prout
you are now extending the doctrine of original sin to non-human species

Mendel was Catholic, by the way. And mention of heritable traits put me in mind of one of the most obvious examples.

the joy of reading

Only if you think you've discovered a way to express yourself when it comes to - the thing, which you loosely label evolution.

122 posted on 01/20/2005 2:34:13 PM PST by sevry
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To: Alamo-Girl
Wouldn't every one of the examples of "transitional fossils" you provide in your exhaustive post actually be subject to the fallacy of quantizing the continuum?

The increasingly evident fact that there are no clear-cut quanta (isolated species), but everything, past and present, forms a continuum, is what common descent is all about.

123 posted on 01/20/2005 2:34:54 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: atlaw
"it ain't science if you can't reduce it to a sound-bite"?

But that's science, you see? You'd know to define what you meant by - sound byte. Then one could answer.

124 posted on 01/20/2005 2:35:14 PM PST by sevry
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
re: Is Archaeopteryx a Valid Transitional Fossil?

That's an interesting article but I understood that fossil was longed proved to a hoax and that Chinese villagers were gluing together and selling "feathered dinosaur" fossils to gullible Americans. What about that?
125 posted on 01/20/2005 2:35:57 PM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Ichneumon

So I take it you're not a creationist.


126 posted on 01/20/2005 2:36:08 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

So I take it you're not an evolutionist.


127 posted on 01/20/2005 2:37:13 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: RadioAstronomer

Yeah, within 6 posts, evolutionists were called psychotic, nazis, and anti-Christian. Physician, heal thyself!!


128 posted on 01/20/2005 2:37:48 PM PST by vikk
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To: sevry
If you can't state it - then what is it?

Evolution is adaptive speciation via natural selection. The scientific evidence to support that principle is overwhelming and comprehensive. What was so difficult about that?

129 posted on 01/20/2005 2:38:52 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: RobRoy
It's just his opinion. He was speaking for himself.

I seriously, seriously doubt that, whether it was intended that way or not ;)

130 posted on 01/20/2005 2:39:10 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: bondserv

Please explain your non-sequitur.

your proposal was analogous to the following statement:
Because two plus two equals seven is a constant, it is clear that spontaneous generation is indeed the way of the universe.

My rebuttal was analogous to the following:
Well, actually, it is a known, observable, readily demonstrable fact that two like units plus two like units never amount to more or less than four like units. Because the arithmetic of your principal statement is false, the derivative statement -reliant upon that false math- regarding spontaneous generation is automatically made specious.

That is what some people call "critical analysis" or "logic".

so, again, please explain how you managed the leap from "as this tenet of a constant, unchanging, pre-scripted code is the central leg of your proposal, your proposal fails the test of empirically observable fact." to "By your logic I can kick my computer and lessen instances of the "Blue Screen of Death". Then I could load my "new more complex code" onto your hard drive to spread the wealth."


131 posted on 01/20/2005 2:39:46 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: Alamo-Girl
Wouldn't every one of the examples of "transitional fossils" you provide in your exhaustive post actually be subject to the fallacy of quantizing the continuum?

No, because they're samples along the continuum of morphological change, and not being presented as discrete entities.

In fact, it's the anti-evolutionists who commit the fallacy of quantizing the continuum, by trying to assert that these transitionals are all "separate" creatures, and that there exist no further links between them.

132 posted on 01/20/2005 2:40:29 PM PST by Ichneumon (.)
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To: vikk; RadioAstronomer
Yeah, within 6 posts, evolutionists were called psychotic, nazis, and anti-Christian. Physician, heal thyself!!

They are book burners, or rather more recently, sticker burners too. :-)

133 posted on 01/20/2005 2:40:53 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Ichneumon

I beatcha to it. Nya, nya, nyaaaaa!


134 posted on 01/20/2005 2:41:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: discostu
what we consider to be evolution

But that's - the whole question. That's the sum of the difficulty. What the heck - is it? How do you state it? How do you define it? I don't mean to sound like some bad impression of Fishburn's Morpheus. But c'mon. Science. You know? Definitions. Specifics. Formulas, even?

Science is prety complicated stuff

Revelation is much more so. But Catholics have four principle Creeds, the first three of which are very succinct, and to the point (the fourth's only just a bit longer, and covers more ground). Many statements of scientific theory are similiarly succint, and to the point. There's more to it. Each word or phrase may have a series of books devoted to it. There's FAR MORE to Catholicism beyond the creeds. But there they are. And they exist. And where it this, for evolutionism? Where's that Theory you hear so many talk about?

What caused evolution to happen is a completely different science, abiogenesis

Not what was the first cause for the first creature - but rather do you have any theories to explain this 'fact' of evolution about the speciation and changing species of one, and etc., however it is you define it?

135 posted on 01/20/2005 2:41:54 PM PST by sevry
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To: \/\/ayne
Yes I've heard that too. It might be a hoax, but hoax or not, it is no missing link. How can a transitional fossil be transitional if the species it supposedly transitions into already existed long before?

If I get the time I'll reasearch the hoax theory. If someone else has the time, just do a google search. It's there.

136 posted on 01/20/2005 2:42:39 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Strategerist
Actually, he wrote of it in Origin of the Species. Of course, he didn't actually include it as part of the theory itself, but rather speculated that the process of evolution began after the first life forms had life "breathed into them by their Creator".
137 posted on 01/20/2005 2:43:24 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: King Prout
the basic components comprising the theory that mutation and natural selection over time leads to speciation

Are mutation and natural selection these "basic components" to your particular Theory of Evolution, or did you mean something else?

138 posted on 01/20/2005 2:43:24 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry

the theory that genetic mutation and natural selection over time leads to speciation.

simple enough for you?


139 posted on 01/20/2005 2:43:50 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: Blowtorch
So I take it you're not a creationist.

Not in this sense, no:


140 posted on 01/20/2005 2:44:15 PM PST by Ichneumon (.)
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