Posted on 01/13/2005 11:53:07 AM PST by bob3443
Constitutional Arguments Against Smoking Bans
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Smoking is a freedom of speech i.e. personal liberty. Such bans are tantamount to precluding peaceable assemblage in that those who may choose to smoke would have to separate themselves from the assembly.
Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Converting private property for public use refers to using property for the benefit of the population at large. To wit: condemning land for the use of building a municipal government center. The property owner will receive fair compensation.
If Government regulates the use of private property in such a way as will harm the profitability of a business located on said private property, or the fair market value of the property itself, and by such regulation declare or imply that said property is in fact public, it stands to reason that the government in the position of owing just compensation to the owner of said property.
Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
In order to be compensated for business losses directly attributed to a smoking ban, business owners will have the right to demand a jury trial if such losses are in excess of $20.00
Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
Were a smoking ban to be enacted and said ban was violated by either the owner of a business or a customer of the business, such fines could be no more than a minimum fine imposed on any other minor infraction of the law. Further, any action taken by the enforcing body of the government can not be so excessive as to destroy the business itself. Such action might be, but not limited to. Criminal prosecution, excessive fines, graduated fines, cancellation of food, liquor or other types of licenses or any other action that could be construed to be use of power to intimidate the private property owner or client or guest of said owner.
Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The Constitution is indeed of the people, by the people and for the people. The passage of any type of ban is a “bad faith”: activity local and state government that violates the spirit and the intent of the Constitution. Such bans further pits the general desires of a specific group of people against the rights of the private property owner and the clients of said property owner.
Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. The rights’ of the people are always preeminent to the rights of the government.
Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. A ban of any kind by its very definition is an abridgement of the privileges of the citizens. Bans create an inequality as they would relate to the protection of the laws.
Amendment XVIII Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress. (The fact that this amendment was repealed I feel speaks to the fact that the government overstepped its bounds by ratifying an amendment that was unto itself patently unconstitutional. It further demonstrates how even as great as our Constitution is, it can still be held hostage when those who govern us lose sight of the true purpose of this document.)
Amendment XXI Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
Considering where you live....I might be able to accept that.
However, it is a place that not only doesn't get their product from the local area, but only uses that which is caught buy foreign fisherman.
They are also at the forefront of convincing local Restaurant Associations to support smoking bans. They can afford a fall off in business that the small local places can't.
Just like Philip Morris, Red Lobster, Applebee's, Ruby Tuesday's and the other assorted chain restaurants have one thing, and one thing only in mind..........the bottom line and the customers be damned. They just want to see the little guys gone. They make Wal-Mart look like a piker.
Talk about hijacking a thread!!!!!
I haven't done this particular one.....but have done similar.
LOL!!!!!!!!
You're right that's my spirit........I've never been PC on my life.
Not being PC has caused me some major grief in my life..............but thankfully has reaped me far more benifits.
Good for you.
Why haven't I encountered you here before?
I don't know if they're the same........just look like them.
I was playing on that comment.......most likely because I am what known as "punch-drunk" - in other words, very over tired.
D.A.R.E., just like MADD started out with all good intentions................but then got taken over by bureaucrats.
One of the reasons we put our house in Delaware up for sale was I was tired of the crack dealers in my driveway.
LOL...Well, that shows there's at least two of us who can see through the smoke!
You're right on the money!
Socialists crave control like an addict craves heroin.
OK, that makes sense now. I think I'd better head for bed...I don't feel particularly tired, but my eyes keep playing tricks on me, and I am making errors all over the place. I'm probably just overtired, too.
Oh, puleeeeeeeezzzzze.....
The NIH information on ETS is based upon the totally biased EPA 1992 report. That report cherry-picked which studies it wanted to used and even went so far as to change the standard of a 95% to a 90% in order to get the numbers to be where they wanted them.
The Oak Ridge study was actually good science in that it was real life information they collected, unlike the EPA and their meta-analyses of only what they wanted to find.
It's a crying shame that someone who claims to want information admits he will not even look at it because it is presented as from smoking advocates.
You may not like the stance that SheLion or I have, but you will find we have the information to back up those stances. The MSM is on the side of the politically correct and does not present all of the available information on this subject, and in many cases will work to deny it even exists,
Good night, my FRiend.....I'm going to do the exact same thing.
Nighty-night. Dream of the Sea.
Six hours and 30 minutes to go.
Sleep well.
Good night, FRiends. Sleep well, Gabz. Enjoy your shift, (ha ha), RF. :)
Thank you, I will knowing that real informations, as opposed to propaganda was posted this evening.
Much thanks to you. FReep soon, I'm sure.
Heh-heh!....*THUD*
Oh you need to take off your blinders and not be so died in the wool over this issue.
The links I provided are valid links by reputable corporations that do the real time studies in second hand smoke.
And yes, I do have more links. But there are two sides to every story, and if you are so narrow minded as to not want to read all of the facts, then I feel sorry for you.
I know what I believe and you believe what you want. You have already made up your mind because you hate smoking.
That's fine. Smoking isn't for everyone, but stop bashing people who do enjoy smoking. It isn't up to you to take away more rights. You might try to work at that, but you are going to have a big fight on your hands. People aren't going to buckle under as easy as you would think.
Nobody's forcing you to breathe.
I have never had such kind thoughts about smokers.
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