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JUDGE RULES EVOLUTION DISCLAIMERS "UNCONSTITUTIONAL"
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Posted on 01/13/2005 8:33:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

ATLANTA (AP) -- Federal judge rules the evolution disclaimer stickers placed inside Cobb County science textbooks are unconsitutional.


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To: xzins

Why teach the beginning of life in a public school setting anyway? There were no eyewitnesses and anything proposed is based on faith, if Adam or Eve, or a slamander that showed up one day on the scene. Let kids google if they want to find out.


21 posted on 01/13/2005 8:45:37 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Why do Red States have Blue Senators?)
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To: mhking

What does the sticker say?


22 posted on 01/13/2005 8:45:40 AM PST by CSM
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To: SoFloFreeper

If I were to dress in black robes and make decisions like
this I would be declared Delusional and the men in the long white coats would be ocming to take me away --Haa Ha
Ho ho-he hee/Thhis decision cannot be reconciled to the
S.Ct. decision that declared Secular Humanism could NOT
be established by governement YET when th egovernment schools militate students against Christianity and insist
the only religion taught be Darwinian Fraud then the Public Schools are the ones in violation of the Establishment Clause.Methinks da Judge needs a headcheck


23 posted on 01/13/2005 8:45:44 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: stremba
This is big, probably need to ping the list!

Agreed. Coming up. Thanks.

24 posted on 01/13/2005 8:46:35 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
For the evolution side of the debate. See list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail to be added/dropped.

25 posted on 01/13/2005 8:47:58 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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"Adopted by the school board, funded by the money of taxpayers, and inserted by school personnel, the sticker conveys an impermissible message of endorsement and tells some citizens that they are political outsiders while telling others they are political insiders," U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper said in his 44-page ruling.
I don't understand his wording. I will have to read the whole opinion to comment on this.
26 posted on 01/13/2005 8:48:18 AM PST by george wythe
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To: SoFloFreeper

What gives this tyrannical judge the RIGHT to claim he is the "Master" who knows more than We, The People?

Time for this POS to go also.


27 posted on 01/13/2005 8:48:25 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: agrace
On what earthly basis???

the basis would be liberal contempt for Christianity.

28 posted on 01/13/2005 8:50:55 AM PST by LoneSome Journey
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To: Sybeck1; mhking
Objections about taxes aside, and that is a reasonable point for locals to complain to their school board about, the finding of "unconstitutional" is ridiculous.

This is not a case of Congress passing a law establishing a state religion, nor is it a case of Congress passing a law that denies someone the right to practice their religion.

The judge should be fired for inability to read the constitution.

29 posted on 01/13/2005 8:52:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I looked and I looked, and I just can't find that U.S. Constitution article about evolution.


30 posted on 01/13/2005 8:52:03 AM PST by demlosers
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To: george wythe

Even if what this judge states is true, which it isn't, it still wouldn't be unconstitutional.


31 posted on 01/13/2005 8:52:21 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: stremba; All
Found this: Judge orders removal of evolution stickers from textbooks.

ATLANTA - A federal judge has ordered the removal of stickers placed in high school biology textbooks that call evolution "a theory, not a fact."

The judge ruled Thursday that the disclaimers put in the books by Cobb County school officials in 2002 were unconstitutional.

Six parents of students and the American Civil Liberties Union had challenged the stickers in court, arguing they violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

"Adopted by the school board, funded by the money of taxpayers, and inserted by school personnel, the sticker conveys an impermissible message of endorsement and tells some citizens that they are political outsiders while telling others they are political insiders," U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper said in his 44-page ruling.

The case was heard over four days in federal court last November, where the school system defended the warning stickers as a show of tolerance, not religious activism as some parents claimed.

"The Cobb County school board is doing more than accommodating religion," Michael Manely, an attorney for the parents, argued during the trial. "They are promoting religious dogma to all students."

Lawyers for Cobb County disagreed, saying the school board had made a good-faith effort to address questions that inevitably arise during the teaching of evolution.

"Science and religion are related and they're not mutually exclusive," Linwood Gunn said. "This sticker was an effort to get past that conflict and to teach good science."

The schools placed the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about the beginnings of life.

The stickers read, "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

32 posted on 01/13/2005 8:52:32 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
What exactly was the disclaimer?
33 posted on 01/13/2005 8:53:13 AM PST by roylene
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To: SoFloFreeper
As moronic as those stickers are, this is a 10th Amendment issue.

If a state wants to place a sticker that says "Pi = 3, FOREVER!!!" on all math textbooks, that's the state's prerogative, whether or not they pulled it out of Kings 7:23.

Idiocy is not unconstitutional.

34 posted on 01/13/2005 8:53:39 AM PST by Physicist
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To: CSM
What does the sticker say?

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

The sticker itself, to me is immaterial.

I've got a problem with the whole politicization that has happened, first at the hands of school board members, and now, at the hands of a federal judge.

As far as worrying about my kids knowing about God's hand in Creation is concerned, I'd suggest the school board stay out of parenting my children. My wife and I have made certain that they DO know.

Just get back to teaching "the three 'R's" and be done with it.

35 posted on 01/13/2005 8:53:51 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Regardless of your view on the sticker controversy, do you really want your local community's right to decide these matters forfeited to a federal court?

In and of itself? Of course not.

36 posted on 01/13/2005 8:54:24 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: writer33
"It seems best to leave it to local control."

This is not directed to you personally as the poster ....

WHY the "passive" language?

"It seems best ..." sounds like a sweet lil petite wallflower ... "awww ....."

We need to use positive active language as our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America was written --- ACTIVE and DIRECT!

It *IS* our duty, as American citizens, and as parents and ass neighbors to direct our own destiny and our neighborhood --- and stop forcibly if necessary any illegal and unconstitutional interdiction into our liberties by those who claim themselves our 'masters'!
37 posted on 01/13/2005 8:55:09 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: xzins
The First Amendment restricts states via the 14'th. Whether it should be that way is another argument, but for the moment, determining whether or not state actions run afoul of the First is well within the purview of the federal courts.
38 posted on 01/13/2005 8:55:25 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: xzins
Objections about taxes aside, and that is a reasonable point for locals to complain to their school board about, the finding of "unconstitutional" is ridiculous.

Like I said, the biggest complaint I've got is the waste of taxpayer money -- and being in Cobb County, I get to see that first hand.

39 posted on 01/13/2005 8:55:34 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: george wythe
"Endorsement" has replaced "establishment" in the copies of the Constitution carried by these judges, IF they even bother to carry or consult one.

It's an extra-Constitutional wall that's being built by the anti-American jurists in this country.

40 posted on 01/13/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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