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1 posted on 01/12/2005 2:30:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
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He said a recent national study proves the need. The Thomas B. Fordham Foundation gave the state a "C" for its curriculum content and a "D" for clarity. This new system changes that, he said. I see its just about time to lower the standards again
2 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:03 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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When I was going to school, if you took algebra by the 9th grade, you were considered to be very smart. Nowadays, if you DON'T take algebra by 8th grade, it's unusual. It keeps going younger and younger. Also, when I was going to school, if you read a chapter book by 3rd grade, that was considered an accomplishment. Now a good portion of my FIRST graders are doing just that.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:31 PM PST by moog
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Whos going to teach the children to read the problems so they can work them out??


4 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:40 PM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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bump


5 posted on 01/12/2005 2:35:01 PM PST by blackeagle
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Well, from now on the students will be counting using fingers only, and not toes. This is an advance.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 2:35:03 PM PST by GSlob
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""Students and teachers beginning in the fall will face a newer kind of math in pre-kindergarten through eighth grade.""

Pre-kindergarten? Children learn through play, it's ridiculouse when five year old kindergarten students have two hours of homework.


8 posted on 01/12/2005 2:37:10 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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...teaching algebra concepts...

A train leaves Chicago traveling at 60 mph while another train leaves Los Angeles twenty minutes later traveling at a rate of 85 mph. Draw a picture of how you will feel when the trains finally pass each other.

9 posted on 01/12/2005 2:38:35 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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When my oldest son was 5, I taught him how to do simple math calculations using Lotus. He turned into a danged computer nerd. I just don't know what happened..........


10 posted on 01/12/2005 2:40:06 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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I remember using basic algebra in 5th grade.

How else do you solve the trains question?

12 posted on 01/12/2005 2:45:22 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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Thanks for the post. I started college late in life and have always thought that I may have approached junior high and high school differently if it had challenged me more. I rarely cracked a book in high school and got along fine although I despised almost every minute of it except sports. (Yes, I was a jock). My son was much smarter than I am but he played the game. (Although I could tell that he thought school was laughable also).

I think the system should do away with age-based classes and go strictly to IQ-based classes. I know it might be possible to hurt someones feelings by this but we are now competing in the world market. IMHO
13 posted on 01/12/2005 2:46:00 PM PST by LowInMo (Why haven't we seen Ted Kennedy on "Cold Case'?)
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My first thought was - first they will have to find some qualified techers.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 2:48:39 PM PST by chainsaw (("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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The goal, said Brosnan, is to provide a clear, sequential math education in the lower grades that gives a deep understanding of math, adding the concept has proven effective in Singapore, Japan and several other countries.

I am sure that there are some students in New York, who have as high aptitudes for mathematical concepts as the Japanese and Singaporian Chinese. I am also sure that there are a lot who do not. The concept "has proven effective" where it is applied to those who have the necessary aptitudes. If it is applied to those who do not, it will only serve to further discourage and cause the less math savvy to tune out even what they could grasp.

Formula education, applied to mass student bodies, is almost always a mistake. But the N.E.A. is one of those groups that pursue the nonsense of an interchangeable humanity--something this planet has never seen and never will.

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22 posted on 01/12/2005 2:59:47 PM PST by Ohioan
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Bump


23 posted on 01/12/2005 2:59:57 PM PST by Allan
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Now I am really impressed with my daughter's first grade teacher.... The kids are learning pre-algebra in FIRST grade and they can read the problems! My daughter has a slight learning disability but understands her math problems. She goes to a public school BUT it is an "A" school in Florida where the teachers love Jeb Bush.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 3:18:36 PM PST by Qathleen
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If the kids cannot do basic arithmetic without a calculator (or in some cases with it), then all the algebra in the world will not help them. They will be hopelessly lost and will lose interest in math, rightfully considering it beyond their capabilities. This in turn will cause a lowering of the standards again, which will in turn cause another round of math education 'reform'. Grades 1-5 should be a repititious round of basic arithmetic, using pencil, paper and brain only. After that, when the foundation is there, advanced concepts can be taught to a more receptive audience.


30 posted on 01/12/2005 3:38:30 PM PST by nuke rocketeer
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When was the last time anyone solved a real life problem using quadratic equations? -- or algebra for that matter?

Yet there are a lot of daily skills people don't have which are not taught. I'd rather see them educated about all those practical things -- instead of things 95% will not use.

The one thing I think everyone needs to be able to do is file an income tax return -- and in it, one has to learn all the skills required in daily living -- reading, writing, arithmetic.

There's no rule that says academic can't be useful.


35 posted on 01/12/2005 4:27:19 PM PST by MikeHu
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**Critics have argued the new standards may be too challenging. **

Not! I subbed in a classroom today where I could not believe the weird math program. No drill -- just playing games.

Alarming!


37 posted on 01/12/2005 4:41:09 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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You have to have standards sometime in your life!


47 posted on 01/12/2005 5:25:08 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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So is algebra where these kids will learn to make change from a $5 without having the cash register tell them how much it is? Or are they going to be the manager at the local burger joint when they hit 16?
51 posted on 01/12/2005 5:29:33 PM PST by Bernard ("Those weren't lies - that was spin!")
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Grade-by-grade topics here:

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2005Meetings/January2005/0105bra7.2.pdf


55 posted on 01/12/2005 5:40:22 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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