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Archbishop of Canterbury admits: This makes me doubt the existence of God
Telegraph ^ | 01/02/05 | Chris Hastings,

Posted on 01/01/2005 4:22:44 PM PST by Pikamax

Archbishop of Canterbury admits: This makes me doubt the existence of God By Chris Hastings, Patrick Hennessy and Sean Rayment (Filed: 02/01/2005)

The Asian tsunami disaster should make all Christians question the existence of God, Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, writes in The Telegraph today.

In a deeply personal and candid article, he says "it would be wrong" if faith were not "upset" by the catastrophe which has already claimed more than 150,000 lives.

Dr Rowan Williams: Prayer provides no 'magical solutions' Prayer, he admits, provides no "magical solutions" and most of the stock Christian answers to human suffering do not "go very far in helping us, one week on, with the intolerable grief and devastation in front of us".

Dr Williams, who, as head of the Church of England, represents 70 million Anglicans around the world, writes: "Every single random, accidental death is something that should upset a faith bound up in comfort and ready answers. Faced with the paralysing magnitude of a disaster like this, we naturally feel more deeply outraged - and also more deeply helpless."

He adds: "The question, 'How can you believe in a God who permits suffering on this scale?' is therefore very much around at the moment, and it would be surprising if it weren't - indeed it would be wrong if it weren't."

Dr Williams concludes that, faced with such a terrible challenge to their faith, Christians must focus on "passionate engagement with the lives that are left".

His comments came as Tony Blair finally broke his silence on the tragedy, branding it a "global catastrophe" that would take the world "years" to deal with. The Prime Minister, who has faced criticism for not cutting short a family holiday in the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheikh, also insisted that the United Nations should lead the international aid effort. He praised the "extraordinary generosity" of the British people, whose donations topped £60 million last night. The Government has thus far pledged £50 million.

Interviewed by Channel 4 News, Mr Blair said: "At first it seemed a terrible disaster. But I think as the days have gone on people have recognised it as a global catastrophe.

"It is not simply the absolute horror of what has happened and how many people's lives have been touched in different ways, it is also the fact that the consequences are not just short-term and immediate but long-term and will require a great deal of work by the international community for months, if not years, to come.

"We've got millions of people displaced, we've got the potential of disease coming from this and we've got whole areas of that region that will have to be rebuilt."

He shrugged off claims that he should have come home to take charge of Britain's aid effort, adding that he had been in touch "practically hourly" with Downing Street.

Mr Blair said that one of his key tasks during Britain's year-long presidency of the G8 group of leading industrial nations, which started yesterday, was to liaise with other leaders. His faith in the UN seemed undimmed despite the international rows in the months prior to the war in Iraq and he dismissed as a "misunderstanding" claims that President George W. Bush had tried to snub the organisation by setting up a four-country task force with Australia, India and Japan.

"When I spoke to President Bush a short time ago he made it very clear that he wanted the UN to be in the lead and that he sees the work that the US is doing as very much supportive of that," he said.

Mr Blair's intervention was made as it was disclosed that Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, would lead Britain's international anti-poverty drive by going on a three-nation trip to east and southern Africa later this month.

Meanwhile, a 10-man British military reconnaissance team arrived in Sri Lanka to assess how British Armed Forces could best assist the stricken country which, with Thailand, Indonesia and southern India, has borne the brunt of the disaster.

The team will report back to the Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood, Middlesex, in the next 72 hours. The main focus of Britain's effort is likely to be directed towards Sri Lanka and the Maldives.

Two Royal Navy ships, the frigate Chatham, currently on patrol in the Gulf, and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel Diligence, already in the Indian Ocean, are heading for Sri Lanka. A C-17 Globe Master transport aircraft, which can carry 100,000lbs of cargo, has also been allocated to supply aid.

The Pope in his New Year message yesterday led prayers for victims at St Peter's Basilica in Rome, and a prayer vigil for victims, survivors and families was being held at Central Hall, Westminster, last night.

On Wednesday, a nationwide three-minute silence will be observed across Britain.


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To: vrwcagent0498

This tsunami wasn't "a punishment from God," it was plate tectonics causing the displacement of a bunch of ocean water. Sh/t happens.


61 posted on 01/01/2005 4:45:49 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: isthisnickcool
He must be referring to allah. Who does not exist....

Right, I don't exist...look into my eyes, I am just a figment of your imagination...


62 posted on 01/01/2005 4:45:59 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Aquinasfan

Spot on.


63 posted on 01/01/2005 4:46:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: goldstategop

Actually this article doesn't properly describe what he said in editorial in the Telegraph. Big surprise.

The point he was making was that while this will cause many to initally question the existence of God, the answer to the question is YES, there is a God.


64 posted on 01/01/2005 4:46:46 PM PST by PFC
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To: Pikamax
And this article (about a miracle) makes me believe in the existence of God -- and it would not have happened if it had not been for the earthquake and tsunami:

Church workers recover rotting bodies at Indian Marian shrine

65 posted on 01/01/2005 4:47:06 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: vrwcagent0498

Are little children, innocent of all wrong, to die as a "punishment in your view?


66 posted on 01/01/2005 4:47:22 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Pikamax
'How can you believe in a G-d who permits suffering on this scale?'

I am going to be blunt here.

People die. Over 150,000 a day on average. They don't usually die in ways that we hear about on the news but they die. Many of them die far more horribly then those who died in this tsunami.

We all will die. Deal with it.

And the last time I checked G-d never told those people to build their houses on the beach.

67 posted on 01/01/2005 4:47:53 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 15 and counting))
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To: queenkathy

=== Really, what does he think about when the floods came during Noah's time. And how about when Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed.


Maybe that's the problem. He can't countenance the God of Vengeance and Hate of the Old Testament anymore and -- being a Protestant to begin with -- hasn't got the ability to distinguish between Old and New Covenants or understand that God does not make himself known in the same way to men who live thousands of years apart.


68 posted on 01/01/2005 4:48:01 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: SuziQ
"It's also quite possible that he followed that statement up with the comment "But they can't seem to get their a$$es in gear."

LOL, I can only hope you are right about that.

69 posted on 01/01/2005 4:48:09 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Tax-chick
Yes he did.
70 posted on 01/01/2005 4:49:33 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Hear hear ...

The Great Divorce is one of my favorites. Cheers.


71 posted on 01/01/2005 4:49:36 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Blaming God for all the wrongs of the world isn't fair, or blaming him for not stopping them. I don't know what to say, what's the point of 150,000 people dying horrible? It's impossible to answer, but if you truly believe in God you know that the good and the bad is all part of the life that he felt it was important for us to experience.


72 posted on 01/01/2005 4:49:40 PM PST by grizzly84
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To: cyborg
He's the Mr.Bean of the religious world.

As in "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spigot"?

73 posted on 01/01/2005 4:50:26 PM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: freedumb2003
I am shocked at his statement, I as a Christian obviously have difficulty understanding all the in's-out's of life BUT regardless of the circumstance God is good. I ached for the people left behind and the families torn apart, but God is still good. My thoughts are different in that I can't wait to see all the ways God is going to use this circumstance to bring people to a saving knowledge of His Son. God uses whatever means necessary to reveal Himself to those that do not know Him.
74 posted on 01/01/2005 4:51:14 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Mr. Mojo

The Asian tsunami disaster should make all Christians question the existence of God,
Why THIS disaster and not the various earthquakes, famines, floods, holocausts, etc? A lot of folks are acting like this tsunami is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind.

Actually, the Asian tsunami disaster should make all Muslims question the existence of Allah. We Christians know what the score is.


75 posted on 01/01/2005 4:51:37 PM PST by FDNYRHEROES (Make welfare as hard to get as a building permit)
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To: Pikamax
Every life and death is precious to God, whether they live and die simultaneously or independently.

May He rest each soul according to His sovereign will.

May He also give comfort to each one suffering loss in this enormous tragedy.

76 posted on 01/01/2005 4:51:44 PM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks, I thought so. He seems to doubt the existence of God when anything bad happens. Since he doesn't believe in God, I wonder where he attributes the cause of atrocities or disasters.

Didn't he sign on as a druid at some point? How can Mother Earth do something so terrible as to produce seabottom earthquakes? Doesn't She love us?


77 posted on 01/01/2005 4:52:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: cyborg

That's a good comparison.

Always says and does the exact dopiest, unaware thing.

Unfortunately, his position makes his "blunders" more significant.


78 posted on 01/01/2005 4:52:49 PM PST by DameAutour (Yes, I know what my problem is. My problem is I'm right.)
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To: Pikamax

girlyman


79 posted on 01/01/2005 4:53:09 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Prime Choice

exactly! LOL


80 posted on 01/01/2005 4:53:50 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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