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Posted on 12/23/2004 10:30:10 PM PST by nwctwx
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But how much of a hobby/pasttime are they for an average citizen?
AGAIN???
Massive South Bay Power Outage Under Investigation
CBS5.com Staff
PG&E believes that a transmission line may be to blame for a massive power outage Thursday.
The outage hit 60,000 people in San Jose and Milpitas about 3:45pm, causing a number of problems, including trapping patients in wheelchairs on the upper floor of a medical building. All power was restored by about 6:45pm.
The cause of the outage was still under investigation Friday, but PG&E thinks that a problem with a transmission line may be to blame.
http://cbs5.com/news/local/2004/10/29/Massive_South_Bay_Power_Outage_Under_Investigation.html
12/26/04
Pacific Gas & Electric, the electric utility serving San Jose and the
airport, lost a high-voltage power line about 6:40pm. The emergency
generator serving one of the terminals as the airport failed to start.
http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog/historical/0012/msg00483.html
Thanks for this personal confirmation JJ
I agree.
electromagnetic radiation hazards. [JP 1-02] (DoD) Hazards caused by a transmitter/antenna installation that generates electro-magnetic radiation in the vicinity of ordnance, personnel, or fueling operations in excess of established safe levels or increases the existing levels to a hazardous level; or a personnel, fueling, or ordnance installation located in an area that is {{{illuminated}}} by electromagnetic radiation at a level that is hazardous to the planned operations or occupancy. These hazards will exist when an electromagnetic field of sufficient intensity is generated to:
l Induce or otherwise couple currents and/or voltages of magnitudes large enough to initiate electroexplosive devices or other sensitive explosive components of weapon systems, ordnance, or explosive devices.
l Cause harmful or injurious effects to humans and wildlife.
l Create sparks having sufficient magnitude to ignite flammable mixtures of materials that must be handled in the affected area.
http://www.fas.org/news/reference/lexicon/dee.htm
Second report IS NOT 2004
San Jose, huh?
ON THE NET...
http://www.mercurynews.com
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22San+Jose%22&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr
http://newstrove.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?search=San+Jose
Thanks Selene for those links.
"My current instinct suggests that these laser incidents are probably primarly acts of kidsnot realizing the potential of their new 'toy'."
I really don't know what to make of it...On one hand, I wouldn't think a kid's "toy" would really have the capacity to reach 1-1/2 to nearly 2 miles high or that there are several kids out there with the ability to track (one of the pilots said the plane was actually tracked)a plane that high, going at least 300mph. On the other hand, I don't know much about lasers and have a nasty habit of underestimating kids.
Then there's the fact that I just assume that when they say the cockpit was illuminated, they mean the whole cockpit was lit up and not that some thin light just entered the cockpit.
Fox News had an interesting tidbit in which someone they interviewed said that the lasers offices and any laser toys are red but my ex once brought a laser pointer home from work and gave it to my kid and it's green.
And finally, all the stories I've seen and/or heard talk about how it's a possibility that someone's trying to blind the pilots and bring a plane down, although it's highly unlikely that would happen but I haven't seen one person wonder (out loud, anyway) that yeah, it may not be all that likely that someone could bring a plane down in that manner but if that laser just happens to be attached to a weapon that could...
From ATS:
North Korea's military fired a laser in March at two U.S. Army helicopters patrolling the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas in what U.S. officials call a provocative action, The Washington Times has learned.
Two Apache attack helicopters were illuminated by lasers in early March by a weapon that had the characteristics of a Chinese laser gun, an indication that North Korea has deployed a new and potentially lethal weapon.
http://blogs.abovetopsecret.com/news_more.php?id=A233_0_39_0_M
also see:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread83761/pg1
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FAA Office of Aerospace Medicine
Civil Aerospace Medical Institute
Laser pointers: Their potential affects on vision and aviation safety
CASE REPORTS. From January 1996 to July 1999, the FAAs Western-Pacific Region identified more than 150 incidents in which low-flying aircraft were illuminated by lasers.
http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/aam-400A/Abstracts/2001/am01-07.htm
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Bill Gertz, THE WASHINGTON TIMES
http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/article5.13.03.html
New Air Safety Rules Will Have Worldwide Impact
By David Lytle (from The Laserist, Nov. 2002)
Laserists around the worldnot just those in the United Statesmust prepare to deal with new safety guidelines designed to prevent aircraft from being exposed to laser light.
http://www.ilda.wa.org/Laserist/Safety.html
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A pilot flying a Delta Air Lines jet was injured by a laser that illuminated the cockpit of the aircraft as it approached Salt Lake City International Airport
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040928-111356-3924r.htm
LASER RANGE SAFETY
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KWAJALEIN MISSILE RANGE
YUMA PROVING GROUND
DUGWAY PROVING GROUND
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NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER
ATLANTIC FLEET WEAPONS TRAINING FACILITY
NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISON
NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER AIRCRAFT DIVISION
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30TH SPACE WING
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GOLDWATER RANGE
UTAH TEST AND TRAINING RANGE
DISTRIBUTION A: APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE
LASER RANGE SAFETY-OCTOBER 1998
Prepared by
Range Safety Group
Laser Safety Committee
Range Commanders Council
http://fas.org/nuke/control/ccw/316-98/
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"If the green diode laser devices are too narrow, you can always upgrade to a nice argon laser. Midwest has those too."
I just read on one of the threads that it's not as hard as I thought to track anything with a laser light...attaching it to a camera tripod would work nicely. I guess it is easier than I originally thought.
FAA Office of Aerospace Medicine
Civil Aerospace Medical Institute
The Effects of Laser Illumination on Operational and Visual Performance of Pilots During Final Approach
June 2004
http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/aam-400a/Abstracts/2004/am04-9.htm
The pointer laser threat - to aircraft and pilots
FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The, April, 2003
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_4_72/ai_100876733
Can Lasers Really Bring Down Planes?
Actually, yes.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2111036/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1303432/posts
TOM CLANCY, TERRORIST PROPHET?
I don't mean to imply that Clancy actually intends to help terrorists. But his book, Debt of Honor, did feature an airliner used as a missile. And, as Steve Bainbridge points out, it also featured special operators using a light weapon to bring down an airlinerplane. Which makes this report all the more disconcerting.
http://stopthebleating.typepad.com/stop_the_bleating/2004/09/tom_clancy_terr.html
In addition to shoulder-mounted heat-seeking or radar-directed missiles. It's getting increasingly a more dangerous world out there. These are low-powered lasers, high-powered lasers can slice an aircraft like a banana.. Join the Paranoia Club to which every active-duty or
retired military pilot belongs.
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/homestead/2004-September/001049.html
Laser Eye Protection
(U) The Naval Research Advisory Committee (NRAC) Panel was requested to undertake a rapid review of the laser threat to Navy and Marine Corps aviation to reassess the threat, the adequacy of Operational Requirements (OR) to develop means to protect against it, to review present Navy protection programs and the Research and Development (R & D) organization, and to make recommendations for broader R & D leading to the development of protection against the emerging frequency agile threat.
http://nrac.onr.navy.mil/webspace/exec_sum/88lasereye.html
And finally, all the stories I've seen and/or heard talk about how it's a possibility that someone's trying to blind the pilots and bring a plane down, although it's highly unlikely that would happen but I haven't seen one person wonder (out loud, anyway) that yeah, it may not be all that likely that someone could bring a plane down in that manner but if that laser just happens to be attached to a weapon that could... <<<<<<
Yes, the laser is used in an aiming "spotters scope", from what I have read, even the deer hunters now use them.
I am sure that the missiles would use them for sighting in on the target.
The first that I read of the hurting pilots eyes was about
10 years ago, when the Russians used them on one of our
pilots who was checking out a Russian ship.
The pilots eyes were ruined.
The pilot lost the lawsuit against the Russians.
From a tired memory, I think it was in the Seattle area or it
wound up in the Seattle courts.
BUENOS AIRES - NIGHT CLUB FIRE
88 DEAD; 260 INJURED
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1311387/posts
"Wonder why they don't employ eye protection for pilots?"
I read that there was eye protection...some special sunglasses for one but the arguement was that the pilots can't wear them at night. Another item I saw mentioned was about B-12's (if I remember correctly) having some special film covering that forms over the glass of the cockpit in a ridiculously short amount of time when testing nukes. I didn't, however, post anything about it because I read it on another forum that I've never seen before and therefore didn't take it as fact.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311360/posts
"Saudi forces kill suspected Al Qaeda leader in clashes (More details)"
ABC News (Australia) ^ | December 31, 2004
Posted on 12/30/2004 8:25:08 PM PST by Straight Vermonter
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Saudi security forces have killed 10 suspected Al Qaeda militants in two days of clashes in the capital, including a Yemeni thought to be the terror group's leader in the country.
The clashes, in which two people on the country's most-wanted list were also killed, occurred before and after two car bombings against security targets in the capital on Wednesday that left two other people dead.
Saudi forces killed seven militants late on Wednesday that came just an hour after bombings at the Interior Ministry and a special forces base, a ministry statement said.
The other three were killed in a firefight that began late on Tuesday and continued overnight, said the statement carried by the official SPA news agency.
The Ministry identified the two most-wanted militants as Saudis Sultan Bjad Saadun Al Otaibi and Bandar Abderrahman Al Dakhil.
A security source said a Yemeni among the dead, Ibrahim Ahmed Abdel Majeed Al Reemy, was believed to be the actual leader of the Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia."
"7 laser incidents at airports since Christmas"
And one on September 29th in Salt Lake City
Considering the talk of laser,tesla toys and NK/Japan, this bothered me:
Angry North Korea threatens to end dialogue with Japan in abduction row
1 hour, 47 minutes ago
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041231/wl_asia_afp/japannkorea_041231035421
North Korea threatens to cut off contact with Japan amid kidnapping controversy
(AP)
31 December 2004
SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea on Friday threatened to cut off diplomatic contact with Japan amid a controversy over the communist states abduction of Japanese citizens.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?
xfile=data/theworld/2004/December/theworld_December797.xml§ion=theworld
Pyongyang Prepared for Japan's Provocation: N.K. Foreign Ministry
SEOUL, Dec. 31 (Yonhap) -- North Korea said Friday it is fully prepared to deal physically with Japan's provocation over the latest row involving the remains of two Japanese nationals kidnapped by North Korea decades ago.
A spokesman of the North's Foreign Ministry, however, did not elaborate on what he meant by physical preparations.
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20041231/301100000020041231103011E0.html
Check THIS out:
U.S.G.S., Japan See {{{No Sign of Large Earthquake}}} in Indian Ocean
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=aVgJZaNm0Dok&refer=japan
thats but 5 days!
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