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1 posted on 12/23/2004 6:15:16 AM PST by Tolik
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    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

2 posted on 12/23/2004 6:16:28 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Another great piece of work by VDH. Thanks for posting it.


3 posted on 12/23/2004 6:20:45 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Tolik; Former Military Chick; Interesting Times; zot; Hurtgen

Target Hit by Hanson.

Ping.


4 posted on 12/23/2004 6:32:29 AM PST by GreyFriar (3rd Armored Division -- Spearhead)
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To: Tolik

Bravo!


7 posted on 12/23/2004 7:09:44 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Tolik

bmp


8 posted on 12/23/2004 7:15:52 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Tolik

Amen! From the back row.


10 posted on 12/23/2004 7:22:55 AM PST by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: Tolik

Another home run by VDH. Rumsfeld was and is W's best cabinet selection. He is one of the few SecDef's who actually is running DOD and not presiding over it.


11 posted on 12/23/2004 7:25:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: Tolik
RUMSFELD/RICE 2008
14 posted on 12/23/2004 8:07:38 AM PST by Mr. K (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. god Bless America, Our Troops, W, and Ann Coulter!)
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To: Tolik
Once again, there's only one word to describe Victor Davis Hanson... BRILLIANT!

18 posted on 12/23/2004 8:23:20 AM PST by mysto
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To: Tolik

Bump. VDH has it right. The carpers and critics be d@mned.


20 posted on 12/23/2004 8:38:09 AM PST by Antoninus (A blessed birthday of Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, to you!)
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To: Tolik
Just to help us remember the difference between the men of yesteryear and the weenies of today's MSM, reread the Gettysburg Address posted here

Shalom.

21 posted on 12/23/2004 8:41:51 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Tolik

Now, we find out that the Rino Rat Kristol was one of the Rino A$$holes behind this Rummy Phobia.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307092/posts?page=1,20

Neocons vs. Rumsfeld
townhall.com ^ | 12/23/04 | Robert Novak


Posted on 12/22/2004 10:36:58 PM PST by kattracks



WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In the bowels of the Pentagon, the colleagues and subordinates of Donald Rumsfeld were not upset by Republican senators who were sniping at him. Instead, they complained bitterly about a call for his removal by a private citizen with no political leadership position: William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard. His position was, in effect, a declaration of war by the neoconservatives against the secretary of defense.
The capital's feeding frenzy over Rumsfeld's fate did not begin until Kristol's Dec. 12 op-ed column in The Washington Post. While critical senators did not get to the point of demanding Rumsfeld's removal, Kristol did. He said the troops in Iraq "deserve a better defense secretary than the one we have." A firm declaration by a prominent Republican activist turned journalist who is the clarion of neoconservatism counts for more than equivocation by U.S. senators.

Rumsfeld's civilian colleagues at the Pentagon are furious because they consider Kristol a manipulative political operative, critiquing the war in Iraq after years of promoting it. But his criticism has a broader base. Kristol long has called for big-government conservatism, which on the international sphere involves proactively pursuing democracy around the world. He and the other neocons do not want to be blamed for what has become a very unpopular venture in Iraq. Thus, it is important to get the word out now that the war in Iraq has gone awry because of the way Rumsfeld fought it.

Rumsfeld is often bracketed with the neocons, but that is incorrect. In a long political career that dates back to his election to Congress in 1962, he has not even been associated with the traditional conservative movement. In the run-up to the attack on Iraq, he was not aggressively pressing intervention by force of arms, but instead was shaping a military response to fit President Bush's command.

Rumsfeld did name Richard Perle, one of the foremost neocon voices calling for a change of regime in Baghdad, as chairman of the part-time Defense Policy Board. Also named to the board was Kenneth Adelman, an old friend of Rumsfeld's who is identified as a neocon. Adelman gained notoriety by promising that the conquest of Iraq would be a "cakewalk." Indeed, rejoicing over the quick rout of Saddam Hussein's army, Adelman wrote that cakewalk -- a word always rejected by Rumsfeld -- turned out to be a correct description.

With the bloody occupation of Iraq underway, Adelman's demeanor changed in his frequent appearances on CNN's "Crossfire" (where I often was a co-host). His mood became more subdued. The garish, oversized American flag necktie that Adelman wore as he urged war on Iraq was retired, as he somberly began to criticize (while never mentioning Rumsfeld by name).

On April 30 of this year, Adelman said a "miscalculation" had been made in war planning because the operation in Iraq "has gone worse than we expected a year ago." On June 28, he said "there were failures," adding that the purge of Baath Party members and "the dismissal of the army was something that we could have done a lot better." On Nov. 8, he said failure to clean insurgents out of Fallujah was "a bad decision."

Unlike Adelman, Kristol pinned defects in war-fighting tactics directly on Rumsfeld. In a Weekly Standard essay of Nov. 17, 2003 (written with his frequent collaborator, Robert Kagan), Kristol assailed Rumsfeld for sending insufficient troops to Iraq. "Rumsfeld remains dogmatically committed to a smaller force," he wrote.

Thus, the neocon message is that the war was no mistake but has been badly conducted. While Adelman does not blame his friend Rumsfeld, the accountability of the secretary of defense is implicit. Kristol's call for Rumsfeld's dismissal removes culpability for those who beat the drums to go to war.

Getting rid of Rumsfeld does not answer agonizing questions. Was the change of regime in Baghdad worth going to war? Could Saddam Hussein have been removed from power by other means? Is the use of U.S. military power to topple undemocratic regimes good policy?

There are no clear answers. To say simply that all would be well in Iraq, save for Don Rumsfeld, only begs these questions.


24 posted on 12/23/2004 8:48:24 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Rummy Phobia is the new mental disorder of the left. It is similiar to Hate GW Syndrome!)
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Victor Davis Hanson: Leave Rumsfeld Be,
He is not to blame for our difficulties

Excerpt:

So it is with the latest feeding-frenzy over Donald Rumsfeld. His recent spur-of-the-moment — but historically plausible — remarks to the effect that one goes to war with the army one has rather than the army one wishes for angered even conservatives. The demands for his head are to be laughed off from an unserious Maureen Dowd — ranting on spec about the shadowy neocon triad of Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perle — but taken seriously from a livid Bill Kristol or Trent Lott. Rumsfeld is, of course, a blunt and proud man, and thus can say things off the cuff that in studied retrospect seem strikingly callous rather than forthright. No doubt he has chewed out officers who deserved better. And perhaps his quip to the scripted, not-so-impromptu question was not his best moment. But his resignation would be a grave mistake for this country at war, for a variety of reasons.

First, according to reports, the unit in question had 784 of its 804 vehicles up-armored. Humvees are transportation and support assets that traditionally have never been so protected. That the fluid lines in Iraq are different not just from those in World War II or Korea, but even Vietnam, Gulf War I, Mogadishu, and Afghanistan became clear only over months. Yet it also in fact explains why we are seeing 80 to 90 percent of these neo-Jeeps already retrofitted. In an army replete with Bradleys and Abramses, no one could have known before Iraq that Hummers would need to become armored vehicles as well. Nevertheless all of them will be in a fleet of many thousands in less than 18 months. Would that World War II Sherman tanks after three years in the field had enough armor to stop a single Panzerfaust: At war's end German teenagers with cheap proto-RPGs were still incinerating Americans in their "Ronson Lighters."

Second, being unprepared in war is, tragically, nothing new. It now seems near criminal that Americans fought in North Africa with medium Stuart tanks, whose 37-millimeter cannons ("pea-shooters" or "squirrel guns") and thin skins ensured the deaths of hundreds of GIs. Climbing into Devastator torpedo bombers was tantamount to a death sentence in 1942; when fully armed and flown into a headwind, these airborne relics were lucky to make 100 knots — not quite as bad as sending fabric Brewster Buffaloes up against Zeros. Yet FDR and George Marshall, both responsible for U.S. military preparedness, had plenty of time to see what Japan and Germany were doing in the late 1930s. Under the present logic of retrospective perfection, both had years to ensure our boys adequate planes and tanks — and thus should have resigned when the death toll of tankers and pilots soared.


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25 posted on 12/23/2004 9:25:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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The blame with this war falls not with Donald Rumsfeld. We are more often the problem — our mercurial mood swings and demands for instant perfection devoid of historical perspective about the tragic nature of god-awful war.

There is no such thing as instant perfection ... Especially in a time of war

27 posted on 12/23/2004 9:28:02 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: Tolik

love this guy's work!


33 posted on 12/23/2004 10:08:43 AM PST by lilmsdangrus
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Thanks MEG33 for pinging me to this great article. As always, VDH hits a homerun.


35 posted on 12/23/2004 10:12:41 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Merry CHRISTmas!!)
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To: Tolik
And why are over 95 percent of our wounded suddenly surviving — at miraculous rates that far exceeded even those in the first Gulf War? If the secretary of Defense is to be blamed for renegade roguery at Abu Ghraib or delays in up-arming Humvees, is he to be praised for the system of getting a mangled Marine to Walter Reed in 36 hours?

This is a point that I think is far too often overlooked. Everything that could be done to treat the war wounded has been done. Remember the huge hospital ship that was stationed there until it became clear that they were treating far more Iraqis than Americans?
And how about the fact that there are more doctors and nurses on the front lines than ever before?

It's true that they didn't expect the "front line" to cover the entire country so that they didn't get the body armor to everyone who needed it as soon as they should have, but they fixed that problem.

And they have done wonders with prosthetics, so many of the ones who have lost a limb can return to duty.

I'm sure there are sad stories, and I wish 100% of our wounded could survive and go on to lead good lives, but getting to over 90% shows that the DoD under Rumsfeld has their priorities straight.

47 posted on 12/23/2004 2:54:10 PM PST by speekinout
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