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Morton Kondracke: Immigration reform is a worthy issue for Bush (CITIZENSHIP for illegal aliens)
Naples Daily News ^ | 12/14/2004 | Morton Kondracke

Posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:47 PM PST by nanak

If President Bush is going to keep his promise to spend political capital on a bold second-term agenda, he should include comprehensive immigration reform that offers deserving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

To do so, he'd have to face down a noisy, but not large, anti-immigrant claque in the Republican Party that's determined to use the threat of terrorism as an excuse to, in effect, erect "Stay Out!" signs at the U.S. border, even to restrict legal immigration.

In reality, creating a process to legalize illegals would help homeland security by allowing law enforcement agencies to concentrate on border security and tracking down criminals and potential terrorists — rather than chasing after millions of ordinary undocumented aliens, especially Hispanics.

This logic seems to have impressed border-state Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has told immigrant-rights groups that comprehensive immigration reform is his top priority for the next Congress.

McCain has begun working on reform with Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who favors granting legal status — and, eventually, citizenship — to illegals who have been in the country for several years, have jobs, pay taxes, maintain clean records, learn English and pay a fine.

Bush has a record of favoring immigration reform, but it remains unclear how far he's willing to go with it. In 2001, he seemed to favor a process that would allow illegals to earn their way to citizenship. This year, he's advocated a worker-permit program that may or may not lead to permanent legal status.

It's a good sign that the administration worked to exclude language sought by House Judiciary Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., from the intelligence reform legislation that recently passed Congress.

Bush will face a new test when Sensenbrenner's measure — which would bar states from giving drivers' licenses to illegal aliens — comes back for consideration next year. He and other restrictionists argued that, because some of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists gained access to aircraft using drivers' licenses as identification, all illegal aliens should be denied them.

But this is simply a device to make life more difficult for illegal aliens. The 9/11 terrorists, or any terrorists, just as easily could have used their passports — or could use phony passports, or drivers' licenses — to board aircraft.

The commission that investigated the 9/11 disaster specifically declared that its report called for "strong federal standards for the issuance of birth certificates and other sources of identification, such as drivers' licenses, to avoid the identity fraud that terrorists can exploit. We did not make any recommendations about licenses for undocumented aliens. That issue did not arise in our investigation, as all hijackers entered the United States with documentation ... (and) were therefore 'legal immigrants' at the time when they received their drivers' licenses."

To foster humane and effective immigration reform, Bush will need to re-educate the public, which tends to hold (according to polls) that America would be better off with fewer immigrants, both legal and illegal.

In fact, most serious studies show that immigrants are a net asset to the country. Illegal immigrants tend to take menial jobs that Americans won't. They pay taxes. But because they live in the legal shadows, they often get exploited by unscrupulous employers.

On Sept. 6, 2001, with Mexican President Vicente Fox at his side, Bush said, "There are many in our country who are undocumented, and we want to make sure their work is legal."

Soon after, in a White House briefing, officials told immigrant-rights groups that the administration leaned toward allowing illegals to earn their way toward citizenship.

But all work on immigration reform stopped after Sept. 11. It resurfaced this year as Bush worked to expand his support among Hispanic voters. At one point, he called for a work-permit system for illegals and told the League of United Latin American Citizens, "We will keep working to make this nation a welcoming place for Hispanic people, a land of opportunity para todos (for all) who live here in America."

On the other hand, apparently in a bid to appease restrictionists in the GOP, administration officials also indicated that workers would have to return to their home countries when their work permits expired. This provision almost surely would discourage illegals from signing up.

Though analysts differ on the quality of exit-poll data on Hispanics, the Election Day numbers do indicate that Bush gained anywhere from five to nine points among Hispanics. Future growth for the GOP in this demographic depends upon who calls the shots on policy — Bush and McCain, or restrictionists such as Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., Elton Gallegly, D-Calif., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Even though Tancredo and company get wide publicity — and have been aided recently by anti-immigration television and radio hosts, such as CNN's Lou Dobbs — their legislative power in Congress has actually been waning.

In 1995, by a vote of 257-173, the House passed an amendment offered by Gallegly that would have required public schools to expel the children of illegal immigrants.

By contrast, this May, the House defeated, by a vote of 331-88, a Rohrabacher proposed amendment that would have prevented hospitals from being reimbursed for medical care provided to undocumented immigrants unless they reported them to the Homeland Security Department.

On the other hand, this November, Arizona voters approved ballot Proposition 200, a measure designed to squeeze illegal immigration, by almost 60 percent. (Its implementation is being held up in court.)

McCain cited Prop. 200 — plus vigilante action by Arizonans against illegals and the deaths of illegal border-crossers in the Arizona deserts — as his motivation for making immigration reform his top priority.

In the 108th Congress, McCain sponsored, along with Reps. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., and Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., legislation similar to Kennedy's that would have granted a path to citizenship to qualified illegals.

Kennedy's legislation, however, also would have expedited citizenship for the spouses and children of legal immigrants, clearing backlogs of five to seven years, depending on the country of origin.

It's not clear whether Bush will propose his own legislation next year or wait for Congress to act and get involved, as he often does, when House and Senate conferees are hammering out final legislation.

On this issue, though, having Bush's leadership early on would be welcome. He could also order the Homeland Security Department to use judgment before it summarily expels illegals who are parents of small children or locks up asylum-seekers whether they present a terrorist threat or not.

Restrictionists will charge that "amnesty" simply encourages illegal immigration. Bush can respond that "earned legalization" recognizes the reality that 9 million illegal aliens are not leaving — and that authorities should stop chasing them and focus on terrorists.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; bushamnesty; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; kennedy; kondracke; mccain
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To: nanak

The entire congressional delegation from Arizona - 8 Representatives and 2 Senators - opposed Propostion 200.

Losers.


81 posted on 12/15/2004 9:15:08 PM PST by HiJinx ( www.ProudPatriots.com ~ Operation Valentine's Day ~ 1/1/05 to 1/21/05)
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To: Travis McGee
I had all this in mind today as I honed my marksmanship skills in the desert. It's not going to be too long 'til marksmanship becomes the must-have job skill.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

82 posted on 12/15/2004 9:15:53 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: politicalwit

Bingo. It's the "master mentality." Menial jobs are for brown skinned illegal aliens, who can be paid pennies and fired at will.


83 posted on 12/15/2004 9:16:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: All
In fact, most serious studies show that immigrants are a net asset to the country.

I hate that cheap little trick: "serious" studies yield results I like.

Serious studies prove that employees of MSM "news" organizations are fecal stains on journalism's clean underwear.

Anti-nation of laws people like the guy who typed in how he feeeeeeeeeeeeeels are a threat to our heritage. What laws do we laugh off next? Do we little citizen people get to choose? How about giving citizens a pass on document fraud, too -- that pesky little "equal protection" thingy. To be ILLEGAL means to be more equal?

84 posted on 12/15/2004 9:20:03 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Budweiser
German saying: "There is nothing in the world as permanent as a temporary guest worker."
85 posted on 12/15/2004 9:20:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: bayourod

"Many have said that illegal immigration didn't start inceasing until the labor unions got the guest worker programs abolished."

Can you elaborate on this..when did this occur?

Which labor unions...teamsters? I thought that they were in favor of amnesty and a guest worker program.

I believe Cesar Chavez started the movement to unionize migrant workers back in the sixties and seventies. I assume that the migrant workers were here under a work visa program at that time. How many are here now legally under the same program?

I do recall the last time I walked into Mexico at Tiajuana seeing lots of people moving freely both ways at the crossing, so there must be some sort of mechanism for people in Mexico to come work in the US legally.


86 posted on 12/15/2004 9:20:49 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: wku man

Yep. Tomorrow is another great day to BLOAT.


87 posted on 12/15/2004 9:21:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Lunkhead_01

If Bush pushes this then I am done with politics. It will be time to Burn the Frog.

They turn up the heat on the frog a little at a time and he doesn't notice that he is being cooked. Maybe we should give most of the sheeple what they want.

I am tired of the leadership of this country giving my money and my country away to anyone who can whine.


88 posted on 12/15/2004 9:23:41 PM PST by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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To: drt1
Now I remember why I'm not a fan of Mort. He's barely a step above Juan on a lot of issues.
89 posted on 12/15/2004 9:25:46 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: bayourod

I still want to know who takes these polls?

To heck with Gallup and the lot....imho.


90 posted on 12/15/2004 9:27:28 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: bayourod; nanak
Is that your stereotype of all Mexicans or just the illegal ones?

I see 'rod' continues with his racist defense for mexicans.(only)

Where in post 65 are mexicans even mentioned???

91 posted on 12/15/2004 9:27:37 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Travis McGee
Morton Kondracke? Isn't he just some talking head geek, part of the MSM elite?

I'd bet this head makes half a million a year, lives in a guarded, gated, sanitized community.

These people are so far removed from reality, it's humorous.

92 posted on 12/15/2004 9:27:57 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one to many.)
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To: nj26
You forgot one other "D" word.

DETER, DETECT, DETAIN, DEPORT.

In this case, the feds can deter illegal immigration by slamming the borders shut, enforcing existing laws that punish employers for hiring illegals and a halt to all government welfare payments to illegals.

Without detering illegal immigration, any hope of having success with detecting, detaining and deporting is an effort in futility and leads to perpetuating and exacterbating a serious problem.

93 posted on 12/15/2004 9:28:06 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: bayourod
"Do you want your children or grand children to pluck chickens or collect garbage or clean bathrooms or dig irrigation ditches all their lives?"

I want my future children to have great careers inventing and producing wonderful machines, processes, and new technologies that make backbreaking, unskilled manual slave labor obsolete.

I want America to be leading in the manufacture of those machines, and to be selling them all over the developing world, making greater prosperity and wealth for Americans.

Rather than have a guy plucking chickens, lets have him working in a factory making machinery which processes the chickens, or have him work in a high tech, clean processing plant which utilizes that high tech machinery.

As long as there is cheap labor brought into this country illegally, or by otherwise cheating the system, the natural market dynamics will never support the push to modernize.

Think where we would be today if two hundred years ago, instead of the invention of the cotton gin...we had millions of illegals working as slaves to accomplish the same function.
94 posted on 12/15/2004 9:35:40 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: bayourod
Speak for your self.

I live in North Carolina. Per capita, the fasting growing Hispanic population in the U.S.

They aren't picking tobacco or fruit or vegetables. They work full time on the gold course then for some of the members do yard work at$10 an hour in cash.

We contracted to have a stone wall built around our driveway, the drive would have fallen, with a local landscape company. It was build entirely by Mexican labor but couldn't they couldn't understand a word of English. The son of one of the men came on Saturday and he spoke perfect English and translated when needed. They worked for much less than an American would work for.

So I don't think they are JUST taking Jobs American workers can't do they are taking jobs for much less pay and the cost of doing the job is the same. These men may have been citizens or had green cards but they did not speak but one word of English just. O.K.

Frannie
95 posted on 12/15/2004 9:36:05 PM PST by frannie (I REPEAT --THE TRUTH WILL SET US ALL FREE--)
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To: Travis McGee; bayourod
Unbelievable. Said like a white "Massa" in 1850 Alabama.

That's exactly the kind of thought-bite that goes on in Mexico --- you'll never see the kids of the white Mexicans wait tables to work their way through college. In Mexico there are very clear-cut racist lines on which race does which job. No American comes up with this kind of thing --- bayourod --- you must be a wealthy Mexican. Middle class Americans often have started out with or turned to your "brown people" (mestisos and indians) kind of jobs working their way up or trying to stay middle class. In this country there are no "white" jobs and "brown" jobs.

96 posted on 12/15/2004 9:45:07 PM PST by FITZ
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To: bayourod
Here's a little reminder to jog your memory from a few months back. This is how you answered then.

1. Do you employ Illegal Aliens, as you've implied?

Not currently.

2. Do you have Illegal Alien gardeners, as you've implied?

Probably.

42 posted on 07/08/2004 7:25:44 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

97 posted on 12/15/2004 9:51:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I'm rapidly losing the "humourous" part of this sellout.


98 posted on 12/15/2004 9:52:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FITZ

"That's exactly the kind of thought-bite that goes on in Mexico --- you'll never see the kids of the white Mexicans wait tables to work their way through college."

That's 100% true. Mexican society is very unequal and racist. I have an acquaintance of "white" Mexican descent, and his family wants nothing to do with anybody that doesn't have pure Spanish or European heritage.

A lot of the children of wealthy "white" Mexicans can be found attending Harvard or Yale (filling up the affirmative action quota), working on Wall Street, and jet-setting around the world. Their wealthy Mexican parents typically pay lower taxes than we do. The top rate is 40%, but let's just say enforcement isn't quite up to IRS standards.

And they're more than happy to send their "brown" mestizo peasant neighbors across the border.


99 posted on 12/15/2004 9:57:04 PM PST by nj26
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To: Dat Mon
"I want America to be leading in the manufacture of those machines, "

Too late. Most machine shop equipment is made in Japan and other Asian countries.

But many of the people in America operating those new computer controlled 5 axis mills are immigrants from Mexico.

The shop owner programs the machine and the operator feeds and lubes it for hour after hour.

It's boring, tedious, dirty work that you don't want your children to do all their lives, but which immigrants take great pride in being allowed to do.

100 posted on 12/15/2004 9:57:20 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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