Morton Kondracke: Immigration reform is a worthy issue for Bush (CITIZENSHIP for illegal aliens)

Naples Daily News ^ | 12/14/2004 | Morton Kondracke

[HiJinx]

The entire congressional delegation from Arizona - 8 Representatives and 2 Senators - opposed Propostion 200.

Losers.

[wku man]

I had all this in mind today as I honed my marksmanship skills in the desert. It's not going to be too long 'til marksmanship becomes the must-have job skill.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Travis McGee]

Bingo. It's the "master mentality." Menial jobs are for brown skinned illegal aliens, who can be paid pennies and fired at will.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

In fact, most serious studies show that immigrants are a net asset to the country.

I hate that cheap little trick: "serious" studies yield results I like.

Serious studies prove that employees of MSM "news" organizations are fecal stains on journalism's clean underwear.

Anti-nation of laws people like the guy who typed in how he feeeeeeeeeeeeeels are a threat to our heritage. What laws do we laugh off next? Do we little citizen people get to choose? How about giving citizens a pass on document fraud, too -- that pesky little "equal protection" thingy. To be ILLEGAL means to be more equal?

[Travis McGee]

German saying: "There is nothing in the world as permanent as a temporary guest worker."

[Dat Mon]

"Many have said that illegal immigration didn't start inceasing until the labor unions got the guest worker programs abolished."

Can you elaborate on this..when did this occur?

Which labor unions...teamsters? I thought that they were in favor of amnesty and a guest worker program.

I believe Cesar Chavez started the movement to unionize migrant workers back in the sixties and seventies. I assume that the migrant workers were here under a work visa program at that time. How many are here now legally under the same program?

I do recall the last time I walked into Mexico at Tiajuana seeing lots of people moving freely both ways at the crossing, so there must be some sort of mechanism for people in Mexico to come work in the US legally.

[Travis McGee]

Yep. Tomorrow is another great day to BLOAT.

[Jimbaugh]

If Bush pushes this then I am done with politics. It will be time to Burn the Frog.

They turn up the heat on the frog a little at a time and he doesn't notice that he is being cooked. Maybe we should give most of the sheeple what they want.

I am tired of the leadership of this country giving my money and my country away to anyone who can whine.

[Shortstop7]

Now I remember why I'm not a fan of Mort. He's barely a step above Juan on a lot of issues.

[Shortstop7]

I still want to know who takes these polls?

To heck with Gallup and the lot....imho.

[txdoda]

Is that your stereotype of all Mexicans or just the illegal ones?

I see 'rod' continues with his racist defense for mexicans.(only)

Where in post 65 are mexicans even mentioned???

[Joe Hadenuf]

Morton Kondracke? Isn't he just some talking head geek, part of the MSM elite?

I'd bet this head makes half a million a year, lives in a guarded, gated, sanitized community.

These people are so far removed from reality, it's humorous.

[Reagan Man]

You forgot one other "D" word.

DETER, DETECT, DETAIN, DEPORT.

In this case, the feds can deter illegal immigration by slamming the borders shut, enforcing existing laws that punish employers for hiring illegals and a halt to all government welfare payments to illegals.

Without detering illegal immigration, any hope of having success with detecting, detaining and deporting is an effort in futility and leads to perpetuating and exacterbating a serious problem.

[Dat Mon]

"Do you want your children or grand children to pluck chickens or collect garbage or clean bathrooms or dig irrigation ditches all their lives?"

I want my future children to have great careers inventing and producing wonderful machines, processes, and new technologies that make backbreaking, unskilled manual slave labor obsolete.

I want America to be leading in the manufacture of those machines, and to be selling them all over the developing world, making greater prosperity and wealth for Americans.

Rather than have a guy plucking chickens, lets have him working in a factory making machinery which processes the chickens, or have him work in a high tech, clean processing plant which utilizes that high tech machinery.

As long as there is cheap labor brought into this country illegally, or by otherwise cheating the system, the natural market dynamics will never support the push to modernize.

Think where we would be today if two hundred years ago, instead of the invention of the cotton gin...we had millions of illegals working as slaves to accomplish the same function.

[frannie]

Speak for your self.

I live in North Carolina. Per capita, the fasting growing Hispanic population in the U.S.

They aren't picking tobacco or fruit or vegetables. They work full time on the gold course then for some of the members do yard work at$10 an hour in cash.

We contracted to have a stone wall built around our driveway, the drive would have fallen, with a local landscape company. It was build entirely by Mexican labor but couldn't they couldn't understand a word of English. The son of one of the men came on Saturday and he spoke perfect English and translated when needed. They worked for much less than an American would work for.

So I don't think they are JUST taking Jobs American workers can't do they are taking jobs for much less pay and the cost of doing the job is the same. These men may have been citizens or had green cards but they did not speak but one word of English just. O.K.

Frannie

[FITZ]

Unbelievable. Said like a white "Massa" in 1850 Alabama.

That's exactly the kind of thought-bite that goes on in Mexico --- you'll never see the kids of the white Mexicans wait tables to work their way through college. In Mexico there are very clear-cut racist lines on which race does which job. No American comes up with this kind of thing --- bayourod --- you must be a wealthy Mexican. Middle class Americans often have started out with or turned to your "brown people" (mestisos and indians) kind of jobs working their way up or trying to stay middle class. In this country there are no "white" jobs and "brown" jobs.

[Travis McGee]

Here's a little reminder to jog your memory from a few months back. This is how you answered then.

1. Do you employ Illegal Aliens, as you've implied?

Not currently.

2. Do you have Illegal Alien gardeners, as you've implied?

Probably.

42 posted on 07/08/2004 7:25:44 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[Travis McGee]

I'm rapidly losing the "humourous" part of this sellout.

[nj26]

"That's exactly the kind of thought-bite that goes on in Mexico --- you'll never see the kids of the white Mexicans wait tables to work their way through college."

That's 100% true. Mexican society is very unequal and racist. I have an acquaintance of "white" Mexican descent, and his family wants nothing to do with anybody that doesn't have pure Spanish or European heritage.

A lot of the children of wealthy "white" Mexicans can be found attending Harvard or Yale (filling up the affirmative action quota), working on Wall Street, and jet-setting around the world. Their wealthy Mexican parents typically pay lower taxes than we do. The top rate is 40%, but let's just say enforcement isn't quite up to IRS standards.

And they're more than happy to send their "brown" mestizo peasant neighbors across the border.

[bayourod]

"I want America to be leading in the manufacture of those machines, "

Too late. Most machine shop equipment is made in Japan and other Asian countries.

But many of the people in America operating those new computer controlled 5 axis mills are immigrants from Mexico.

The shop owner programs the machine and the operator feeds and lubes it for hour after hour.

It's boring, tedious, dirty work that you don't want your children to do all their lives, but which immigrants take great pride in being allowed to do.