Doctors: Yushchenko Poisoned With Dioxin

Yahoo.com ^ | 11 Dec 04 | SA

[Ginifer]

VIENNA, Austria - The mysterious illness of Ukrainian opposition leader and presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko was caused by dioxin poisoning that was likely intentional, doctors said Saturday.

Yushchenko has accused Ukrainian authorities of trying to poison him in the runup to a presidential vote marred by fraud. Ukraine's Supreme Court voided the outcome of that vote, which Yushchenko lost to Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, and a rerun of the ballot is slated for Dec. 26.

Yushchenko first fell ill in September and was rushed to the Vienna hospital. He resumed campaigning later in the month but with a pockmarked and badly disfigured face.

He returned to the hospital later in September for further treatment and checked in for a third time Friday.

[LibertyRocks]

Several weeks ago the Austrian doctors who treated him stated that he would have most likely been dead within 24-48 hours. I will go look for the quote, but I'm surprised you don't remember reading this yourself...

[Destro]

Find that for me, I appreciate it.

[sandalwood]

A) I said nothing about vanity (please don't ZOT me :P ) - it is simply the honest truth that looks affect the way leaders are perceived by the public.

B) Since the truth about the poisoning didn't come out until now, it didn't effect the voting any - and a re-vote was certainly not a given.

C) I said nothing of a fresh face. I simply said he was "handsome and youthful", which is an aesthetic opinion, not a political one.

I think the bigger question is why you refuse to acknowledge that this poisoning may have been by someone OTHER than Yuschenko? Unless you truly believe that he would kill/irrevocably maim himself for the chance at (not even assured of) power?

[LibertyRocks]

Destro,

It is definitely not my intention to spread mis-information. At this time I can not find the quote I was referring to so if I may, I would like to strike that point from my argument.

The link on this post leads to the entire Yahoo! news article. In that article his doctor from Austria is saying he was NOT at death's door when they admitted him back in September. Although if not for state of the art hospitals (say this was 30-40 yrs. ago). I don't think Yuschenko would have survived, do you?

Back when this was breaking news I read upwards of 50 articles from varying sources. I cannot remember where I read the 24-48 hour quote. If I run across it again you can be sure I'll post it to this thread.

Still though you brought up a good point. Why would they use something like Dioxin? Also, if it was straight Dioxin poisoning wouldn't they have found it back in September because it is a known agent? That's why I came up with the theory of a "mixed poison".

Yes, you are right. I keep pointing to Russia. Why? Because they have much to lose is Yuschenko is elected. They have a very big desire to see Yanukovych win - yes? The reason I point to KGB involvement is due to the fact that Putin's own opponent in his election was spirited off to Kiev the day he filed his paperwork and he disappeared for a week. Combine that with Putin's outspoken nature regarding this election, and it would seem that if not the KGB someone in Ukraine with those sympathies is working against Yuschenko. I don't believe for a second this man would poison himself...

[PhilDragoo]

Putin and his mini-me have the fruits of decades of Soviet Biopreparat weapons at their disposal.

They don't seem to be fettered with any sappy capitalist morality.

Of course I haven't looked into the former-KGB schmuckov's eyes and seen his "soul".

Gee, poison. . .y'think?

[Destro]

Also, if it was straight Dioxin poisoning wouldn't they have found it back in September because it is a known agent?

I can answer that - he refused a biopsy of his face because he did not want to campaign with stitches. Which is an odd thing to be concerned about when your face is already disfigured.

[Destro]

PS: Sorry the ex-KGB angle makes no sense - the KGB would never use this as a tool to kill or disfigure.

Why would I think that? Because they would want to do it in a manner not traceable to them. Dioxin is super traceable and it takes a lot to kill you.

[Destro]

Putin and his mini-me have the fruits of decades of Soviet Biopreparat weapons at their disposal.

Your own logic fails you. If so why did they use dioxin? The worse thing you can use if you want to poison someone - you need a lot to do it compared to other agents and its easily detectable in the body.

[PhilDragoo]

That's good news.

[DTA]

Attention please, is there a MD on this plane? Also, DA to supervise evidence?

To defuse emotional impact words can have on investigation, proper names were replaced and the known facts were left intact.

1. In September, John Kerry suddenly falls ill afer dinner with Canadian diplomats and flies to private clinic in Paris.

2. His treatment is supervised by an American cryo-surgeon, University professor who works in Vienna but who does not work in this private clinic.

3. Although poisoning was suspected, Clinic was not willing to issue official statement to Mr. Kerry that he was poisoned. Soon afterwards, Clinic start getting threatening phone calls from sinister sounding Americans and requested police protection .

4. In the meantime, media was swarmed with reports linking Canadia CSIS to alleged poisoning, citing CIA's expertise and connections with CSIS during cold war.

5. Dioxin (a.k.a Agent Orange is suspected as a poisonous agent, althout the symptoms Mr. Kerry had are not matching. The amount of ingested dioxin has to be huge and impractical for poisoning. Also, dioxin is easilly detectable.

6. London Times prints an article and cites the doctor who ovrsaw the tratment as a source of information that Kerry was poisoned.

7. the next day, both Doctor and Hospital deny London Times claim, denying they had any contact with The Times and stating that all options are open.

8. Mr. Kerry refused to supply tissue for analysis.

9. One of the chief doctors treating him,Lothar Wicke, had been placed under police protection after receiving an anonymous threat. No details about the threat have been released.

10. Two months after alleged poisoning, clinic issues statement and declares it was Dioxin poisoning.

11. Public opinion holds Rogue element in CIA and CSIS responsible for poisoning

What do you think?

[MarMema]

Wow. You are one impressive freeper.

The link for the surgeon was a real eye-opener.

[ApesForEvolution]

Is she an American?

[ApesForEvolution]

2 assasination attempts and a stolen election for Putin's guy.

LOLOL! I'll believe it's NOT the Soviet KGB Dictator and his Communist buddies in Ukraine! /xxxs

[nickcarraway]

Do you have a recipe for Dioxin Soup? I know you start with bay leaves, but after that I'm lost.

[nickcarraway]

Do you have a recipe for Dioxin Soup? I know you start with bay leaves, but after that I'm lost.

[Happy2BMe]

" Of course I haven't looked into the former-KGB schmuckov's eyes and seen his "soul".

_____________________________

I think any of us old heads are aware of what it took to rise to the rank of a KGB Colonel - as was Vladamir Putin.

Putin was also hand-picked by Yeltsin, another KGB hero from dark Soviet ages past as his successor.

We're dealing with a very cunning man here folks.

[Destro]

If its dioxin then it can't be a pro assassination attempt. Dioxin is poor choice for poison cause in liquid form it is hard to get (and thus a tip off it's a wet work), it needs a lot to kill and is detectable.

[Destro]

If Putin was cunning he would not have used dioxin for this type of work. It is a poor choice of posion. Slow to kill, detectable in the body and needing a large quantity to kill. Tom Clancy you ain't.

[texasflower]

You are late to the party and as clever as all that is, most of your arguments have been beaten to death here. (for good or bad) Including detailed information on Dr. Zimpfer and Dr. Wicke.

Many of us have been on this for days on end.

Poisoning has been confirmed. Period.

Now all we need to know is who and why.

Personally, I don't know if it was the perfomers formally known as KGB or a faction inside the present Ukranian government.

Most of what you are reading are responses to a couple of freepers who bought the bad sushi and alcohol story, in the face of overwhelming evidence. 'So many comments may seem sort of "out there". Some are pointing out the illogical claims of those that are supporting Yanukovich.

Your comments, as I said were clever, but for those of us on this for days and weeks, you don't have to spell it out.

We can read.

What we want now is for the facts to come out about who did this.

[texasflower]

Yuschenko's wife? Yes, she is an American. She has just passed her 5 year mark in order to test for citizenship, but she hasn't done it yet.

It was delayed because she was caring for her husband since this happened in July.