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1 posted on 11/25/2004 6:44:38 PM PST by Haro_546
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The system costs a lot of money.

Not having air superiority in the next major war (China?) a decade or two down the line will cost us a lot more.

38 posted on 11/25/2004 6:58:20 PM PST by Gritty ("I WANT MY MONEY BACK!" - Mrs. Mark Miller, former Kerry supporter, upon learning he is keeping it)
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Let's dump the military and spend all the money cloning an Army of Jimmy Carters....(It's easy to think like a liberal.)
40 posted on 11/25/2004 6:58:35 PM PST by Defendingliberty (www.456th.com)
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HELL NO!!!

I'm no expert but my good friend who flys F-18 hornets is. He is a huge advocate for the F-22 and everyone is dying to get out of the hornet and into the Raptor.... if given the chance.


43 posted on 11/25/2004 6:59:28 PM PST by Andrew LB
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I'll start out respectful-like.

NO. The F-15 and F-16 are now over 25 years old each. We now need a new fighter to counter not only current threats (MiG-29, Su-30), but any future air threats. The F-22 is the finest fighter ever designed.

The JTF-35 is a non-starter, and will in all likelihood be killed, as it is too heavy, and cannot be fixed. Unmanned aircraft are nowhere nearly advanced enough to take up the slack.

The US simply MUST remain well ahead of all others, period.

As for the cost, that would be considerably less had Congress not short-sightedly cut the number in the order. Had the aircraft been ordered at the original number of over 700, the unit cost would have been far lower.

The V-22, which you mentioned, is NOT a fighter, it is a cargo and assault aircraft.

46 posted on 11/25/2004 7:00:25 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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UCAVs (Uninhabited Combat Air Vehicles) will eventually be able to do anything a piloted fighter can do, plus they can be designed to be more aerodynamically efficient and stealthier than piloted aircraft because you don't have to design around the cockpit, plus they will be able to maneuver in ways that would generate too many G-forces for a human pilot to survive. Once a UCAV can outmaneuver a human-piloted fighter, the day of the human-piloted fighter will be over.

Instead of airmen who must train thousand of hours at a cost of millions of dollars and risk their lives on every mission, you can have computer geeks sitting behind consoles tens of thousands of miles away from the theater of operation and take out bad guys and their installations at the click of a mouse.

Combat fighters are a proud lot with a long and honorable tradtion, but just like everybody else, they are going to be replaced by computers.

The Predator is just the beginning.

68 posted on 11/25/2004 7:08:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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Are you the President of Boeing?


Well, I work for Lockheed so get lost.


73 posted on 11/25/2004 7:10:59 PM PST by Hammerhead
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My opinion is that if your country sells any more nuke technology to that OTHER country... after we stop the OTHER country... we'll deal with you. Wait your turn in queue.

Oh, W. Won.

/john

78 posted on 11/25/2004 7:12:00 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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Yes. This type of aircraft has no place in the modern battlefield and Foreseeable conflicts. The money could be put into more usefull sistems (each unit cost about $235 million for 239 planes) Whats your opinion?

No. The more than thirty five year old F15 is already obsolete and being regularly trounced by 15 year old Soviet designs, let along what the Russians and French (our historic enemies) are selling to the world today.

The F22 is the minimum aircraft we need for air superiority.

Unless, of course, you are in favor of that 5 year "Manhatten Project" effort to produce the F43? I didn't think so.

Raptor (Lightening II) it is, until THOR clears the skys and the ground of our enemies.

Live with it. Freedom isn't free.

81 posted on 11/25/2004 7:13:21 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt (HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL))
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In a word "NO!"

Our planes are getting too old and the military needs this plane. What you been smoking to ask such a foolhardy question???

87 posted on 11/25/2004 7:16:46 PM PST by pctech
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Yes. The F/A-22, however, should continue apace.


121 posted on 11/25/2004 7:30:12 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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Yes cancel it, lets spend our money on "flying spitwads".


133 posted on 11/25/2004 7:36:26 PM PST by Shellback Chuck (Hey John, whose your daddy?)
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Like I ALWAYS say, 14, 15, 16...whatever!


135 posted on 11/25/2004 7:37:52 PM PST by Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe (14, 15, 16...whatever!)
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Get a grip! And get a dictionary.

The F-22 can fly rings around everything else out there; Ergo, BUFFs will fly another 50 years.

140 posted on 11/25/2004 7:40:13 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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Yes, cancel it. Air dominance doesn't need to cost so much.


144 posted on 11/25/2004 7:40:57 PM PST by shellshocked
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If you can catch an F-22...you can cancel it.
Go ahead....try it.


154 posted on 11/25/2004 7:46:08 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Happy Thanksgiving to all our Coalition Fighting Forces world-wide- God Bless them all!)
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And, if you're old enough, no doubt you were against Pres. Reagan's "Star Wars" program which has now begun to be deployed. You're a really big thinker, Haro, wrong but big.


164 posted on 11/25/2004 7:50:05 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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Yes. This type of aircraft has no place in the modern battlefield and Foreseeable conflicts. The money could be put into more usefull sistems (each unit cost about $235 million for 239 planes) Whats your opinion?

War with China is a foreseeable conflict. War with France is a foreseeable conflict. War with Iran is a forseeable conflict. War with Mexico is a forseeable conflict. War with the Blue States is foreseeable.

All of the foreseeable conflicts listed will require air dominance for infantry forces to kill as many ragheads, chinks, specs, frogs, and idiots as possible.

185 posted on 11/25/2004 7:56:05 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Viva Bush)
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Hmmm... "Christian zealot" (how many Christians call themselves zealot, a perjorative term?) shows up on third day calling for the Kerry position of killing the F-22. Something here smells funny.


196 posted on 11/25/2004 7:59:47 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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Air superiority is the most critical factor in war, now and in the future. I hope they fully fund the F-22 and that they're already working on its successor.


200 posted on 11/25/2004 8:01:22 PM PST by MarineBrat (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0...... - Zero rows returned!)
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This type of aircraft has no place in the modern battlefield and Foreseeable conflicts

Ok brain surgeon, what is the foreseeable conflict this aircraft is not suited for?

231 posted on 11/25/2004 8:15:02 PM PST by bad company (I'm a new Grandpa.)
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