Posted on 11/24/2004 7:45:29 AM PST by whodeani
Homicide connection explored Sunday's shooting has similarities to a 2001 killing 80 miles away
By JOHN DIEDRICH jdiedrich@journalsentinel.com Posted: Nov. 23, 2004
Law enforcement agencies are investigating if the man suspected of killing six deer hunters and injuring two others was involved in the unsolved slaying of a deer hunter three years ago in a nearby Wisconsin county, a detective said Tuesday.
Clark County Sheriff's Department Detective Kerry Kirn said he has exchanged frequent calls with investigators in Sawyer County since Monday morning.
"I can tell you we have been in contact with authorities from Sawyer County to address that," Kirn said. "It is premature to speculate if there is a connection."
On Nov. 23, 2001, Jim Southworth was shot to death as he hunted on family land 10 miles east of Neillsville in one of the only other homicides ever to be linked to Wisconsin's deer hunting season.
Southworth was shot twice in the back and both bullets exited his chest, an autopsy found.
Witnesses reported a pickup truck with three men inside on a road near where Southworth's body was found, about 80 miles south of Sunday's shooting.
The three men were described as Asian from 5-foot-4-inches to 6-feet. They were driving a silver or gray Nissan or Chevrolet pickup truck, possibly a late 1980s model with a light-colored fiberglass topper.
Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., who is suspected of shooting eight hunters Sunday, is 5-foot-4-inches, according to a court document. Vang has owned a 1987 Nissan pickup, according to an online search service. According to court records, Vang allegedly shot several of Sunday's victims in the back.
The Sawyer County rampage was allegedly sparked by a dispute over Vang using a deer stand on private property. One of the theories Clark County authorities have been pursuing is that Southworth was shot after confronting a trespasser.
Officials said that Vang was hunting with two other people on Sunday, before he became lost and wandered onto the private property. Police are looking for those other people.
Vang did have an out-of-state license to hunt in Wisconsin in 2001, said Mike Bartz, a Department of Natural Resources warden manager. He also had a license in 2000, 2002 and this year, he said.
Kirn called the three people being sought in Southworth's murder "persons of interest."
"To our knowledge, those are the only three people who we haven't identified who were in that area that day," Kirn said.
Kirn said he could not comment on whether Vang has been or will be questioned in the Southworth case. Investigators from the state Department of Justice are investigating both cases, he said.
"They need to do their investigation and when all facts come out, and they will relay that to me, and we'll make the comparison," Kirn said.
The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department, the first to respond to Sunday's shooting, referred questions to the Department of Justice. A spokesman there declined to comment on whether a connection was being investigated between the two cases.
Told of the two cases, a retired FBI agent said his experience tells him that they could very well be related.
"The odds of the two being unrelated are astronomical, I would say," said Bob Dwyer, who now works as a private investigator in Florida.
But an absence of physical evidence in the 2001 case could make it difficult to prove such a connection, Dwyer said. The best way to tie two crimes together is to match weapons or bullets, he said.
Kirn declined to comment on what kind of gun was used to kill Southworth or if they recovered bullets in the woods where he was shot. A warden said last year that investigators were looking for casings.
The hunting rifle Southworth was carrying - a Ruger model 77 bolt action .03-06-caliber - was missing.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/278124.asp
Man.......you sound just like a real racist....of course being from Wisconsin and a land-owner, I do have to agree with everything you said.
You have to understand though....in Wisconsin it is not a hate crime to kill white guys........it is just a "cultural thing"
Just like poaching.
Just like tresspassing.
Just like taking 250 fish over the limit.
Just like the enterprising family on my street who sells Extacy and other crap to school kids.
Its a cultural thing.
Vang is from Stockton, CA where many of his people settled after VN. Many younger Hmong boys and girls were notorious gang members in town and feared as violent types (as per my policeman neighbor). Vang claims the hunters fired on him first and he returned fire. That seems unlikely if he is also a perp in another murder.
If I remember it correctly, the punchline of the joke that fits this situation is "death by Bunga-Bunga!"
THE POLICE lyrics - "Murder By Numbers"
Once that you've decided on a killing,
First you make a stone of your heart.
And if you find that your hands are still willing,
Then you can turn a murder into art.
There really isn't any need for bloodshed,
You just do it with a little more finesse.
If you can slip a tablet into someone's coffee,
Then it avoids an awful lot of mess.
It's murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your ABC.
Murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your ABC.
Now if you have a taste for this experience
And you're flushed with your very first success,
Then you must try a twosome or a threesome
And you'll find your conscience bothers you much less
Because murder is like anything you take to
It's a habit-forming need for more and more.
You can bump off every member of your family
And anybody else you find a bore
Because it's murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your ABC
Murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your ABC.
Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In history's great dark hall of fame.
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name.
But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land,
For murder is the sport of the elected,
And you don't need to lift a finger of your hand
Because it's murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your ABC.
Murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3,
It's as easy to learn as your A, B, C, D, E,..........
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Chai%20Soua%20Vang%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&sa=N&tab=wn
CHAI SOUA VANG'S MILITARY RECORD Pioneer Press (subscription), MN - According to the public portion of Chai Soua Vang's military record on file at the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis: Jan. ... Shooting suspect had Army Service Ribbon for sharpshooting Shooting suspect had Army sharpshooting badge |
WJXX |
Vang: Hunter shot first; Suspect gives conflicting accounts Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - ... swore at him. According to documents filed Tuesday by the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department, Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul told ... Sixth shot hunter dies Hmong leaders say suspect doesn't represent community Despite arrest, friends say Vang was a good man |
Self-defense claim may be central in any trial Pioneer Press (subscription), MN - If murder suspect Chai Soua Vang is telling the truth, the question that could go before a jury weighing any possible claim of self-defense is this: What would ... Bloody Sunday in Wisconsin |
I don't think a "look" at him is what they were hoping for.
They're going to have to put this guy in body armor and surround him with a phalanx of deputies every time they move him, and all the same, I would not discount the possibility of a Jack Ruby resolution to this case.
Also, I would not want to be an Asian-American hunting in northern Wisconsin this weekend, and especially not one in a vehicle with Minnesota plates. I will be very surprised if there is not at least one more "hunting accident" before this season is over on Sunday.
Repatriate them? Our crazy Feds are bringing in thousands more of these pint sized pests. From camps in Thailand. The parasites in the refugee industry would be out of jobs without Hmong, Somalis and other stone agers who should not be coming here.
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/state/10256374.htm
Having to live the rest of your life in Packerland would be a fate worse than death.
Apparently, leaders in the Hmong community in northwestern Wisconsin are advising other Hmongs to not go hunting for the rest of the season.
Which is all of them.
Shall we start a pool? I'm guessing the first area where a white-on-Hmong hunting "accident" takes place will be in Shawano County. Say, near Tigerton?
Anyone have a link (non-PDF) to the criminal complaint?
Would be much apreciated, Thanx
The murderer will be portrayed as a hard working family man who can't earn a living due to racists. He is trying to kill deer to feed his family.
An old Indian shaman tells him of a place sacred to the indians where he can find game aplenty.
The ones murdered will be portrayed as KKK/Militia/home schoolers etc.
After the white racists call him gook, and rough him up while drinking beer, laughing and shooting wildly at him, the asian victim finally has enough and takes an assault rifle from the gang and kills them all.
Non-PDF court file: http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/10255877.htm?1c
I discovered Saturday that they buried the late Mrs. Hacking ... next to my cousin
Member of PETA?
But how will she work Gloria All-red into it?
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