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Report: Foreign-born population tops 34M
modbee ^ | 11-22-04

Posted on 11/22/2004 10:07:13 PM PST by LouAvul

WASHINGTON (AP) - More than 34 million U.S. residents were born outside the United States, with arrivals from Mexico driving much of the growth in the foreign-born population since 2000, a private research group says.

The foreign-born population grew at a clip of over 1 million a year between 2000 and 2004, even though the U.S. economy was suffering, according to the analysis being released Tuesday by the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors stricter immigration policies.

That pace was roughly equal to the growth rate between 1996 and 2000, when the economy was on the upswing.

It is more evidence that stricter immigration enforcement after the Sept. 11 attacks did little to stop the influx of immigrants, said Steve Camarota, who wrote the report. Often the worst of economic conditions in America are still better than the financial situations in an immigrant's native country.

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To: Plutarch
Those of you who think that any less than 34 million might be ideal are most assuredly racists whose opinion need not be considered.

I can think of at least 19 foreign-born "diversity-bestowing" residents whose presence here in September 2001 I'd rather not not celebrate.

Excuse me for not joining your maypole dance.

21 posted on 11/22/2004 11:03:26 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Congress to stop Islamic immigration.)
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To: Cronos
If a mono-culture is one in which everyone agrees that beheadings, stonings, and female mutilation (as well as the old streetgang-joining, and academic nonperforming) are all undesirable behaviors, then I'll take "mono-culture".
22 posted on 11/22/2004 11:08:42 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Congress to stop Islamic immigration.)
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To: dagnabbit

America has never been a mono-culture. It absorbs other cultures. You could argue that it waters them down, but that's what we do. Fifty years ago Taco Bell didn't exist. Neither did Pizza Hut. These were considered "exotic" foods. The same is true for all aspects of an assimilating culture...


23 posted on 11/22/2004 11:12:12 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: dagnabbit
If a mono-culture is one in which everyone agrees that beheadings, stonings, and female mutilation (as well as the old streetgang-joining, and academic nonperforming) are all undesirable behaviors

No, a mono-culture would be one in which everyone agrees that beheadings, stonings, and female mutilation (as well as the old streetgang-joining, and academic nonperforming) are all desirable behaviors --- as in Taliban-run Afghanistan
24 posted on 11/22/2004 11:16:06 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: dagnabbit

Do note that I'm NOT saying they should not assimilate, I just object to the enforcing of an 'official' language. It seems to smack of what Franco did when he imposed Castilian on all of Spain


25 posted on 11/22/2004 11:17:49 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: dagnabbit

America takes the best of the incoming culture and makes it uniquely American


26 posted on 11/22/2004 11:18:37 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: konaice
Would you buy a computer that that could not communicate in TCP/IP?

well, NO. But if it could communicate in other protocols as well, I'd like that!
27 posted on 11/22/2004 11:20:06 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LouAvul

Damn Irish. Irish must go home... how dare they come here and spread that Gallic tongue... English first.


28 posted on 11/22/2004 11:20:17 PM PST by Porterville (IT'S GOOD TO BE REPUBLICAN- ASK ME HOW)
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To: Cronos
The natural thing to do is gravitate toward one language.

Well, I think that would be a loss --

Its often so argued, usually by people wanting some language to be pereserves, and usually in total disregard of the fact that no one else wants to preserve it, and no one at all uses it.

Latest fiasco I am aware of is the push to preserve various Alaskan Native languages, even though there is nothing written in these languages (they were never written), and nothing but modern stories recorded (audio) either. But its important to the native elders that it be preserved. Their children oblige, but their grandchildren could care less.

Except for the intereptation of ancient texts, I maintain little or nothing is lost when a language falls into disuse, or is forgotten entirely. In fact, it is probably necessary for human progress. We could effect no progress at all if we were still burdened with 3000 ancient languages. Having two or three in common usage is the same problem on a smaller scale.

But there is simply no reason NOT to have an official language, most countries do. Canada has two. But at least they HAVE official languages. The story of the tower of babel is not so fictional as it may seem.

29 posted on 11/22/2004 11:21:41 PM PST by konaice
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To: Cronos

Islamic immigrants in Queens, NY celebrated 9-11 .

You can make that "uniquely American". I'd prefer it not be here.


30 posted on 11/22/2004 11:27:04 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Congress to stop Islamic immigration.)
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To: konaice

Well, something is lost -- you can't express yourself in the same way in one language as you can another and translations don't work all the time. It's like a JAva program trying to use a stored procedure-- each functions very well in its own sphere and they work in tandem.


31 posted on 11/22/2004 11:31:30 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: dagnabbit
Islamic immigrants in Queens, NY celebrated 9-11 . You can make that "uniquely American". I'd prefer it not be here.

Hmmm... I'm talking about languages, did I say anything about slamic nutcases celebrating 9/11?
32 posted on 11/22/2004 11:32:23 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Plutarch
Those of you who think that any less than 34 million might be ideal are most assuredly racists whose opinion need not be considered.

I think 3.4 million might be too much and your opinion that such a view is racists is HIGHLY suspect. Stating that my opinion "need not be considered" is a chiseled in stone conformation that somewhat more than latent communist/socialist/democrat influence is leading you. Take note of the recent election proceedings, such a stance in this Republic is rapidly declining and will, God willing, die out.

And yes, you have made your "enlightened" little one world orientation QUITE clear for everyone.

Build the wall, build it now, and to hell with anyone trying to illegally cross.

33 posted on 11/22/2004 11:39:38 PM PST by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: LouAvul

I wonder what the tab to the American taxpayer is for these foreign borns? This is one of the many reasons that illegals aliens were included in the Mecidare Bill that passed the Republican congress in the middle of the night.


34 posted on 11/22/2004 11:45:49 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Plutarch
Those of you who think ..............are most assuredly racists whose opinion need not be considered.

Oh.. OK..

35 posted on 11/23/2004 12:04:22 AM PST by Yosemite (Blue is for the color of their blood)
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To: Cronos

That's true for the most part.


36 posted on 11/23/2004 12:06:23 AM PST by cyborg
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To: LouAvul
And every single one of them are in California.

While you have your share, these are documented numbers and couldn't possibly include the Illegals, no way no how. Add another 20-30 million to account for the illegal invasion and send your regards to the Whitehouse. Blackbird.

37 posted on 11/23/2004 12:30:12 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Cronos

"Well something is lost..."

As opposed to everything being lost if forced to learn EVERY single language on earth just on the OFF chance you will need its specific naunace in some situation later in life?

Since most people can only master two or three languages, the chance of having just enough of the fourth or fifth to come forth with that subtle shade of meaning when you need it is slim indeed.

I believe it was Knuth who put forth the proposition that anything that can be expresed in one closed syntatical language could be expressed in any other such language.

If Java does not meet this standard, then perhaps its the wrong tool for the job. Never been impressed with it myself.


38 posted on 11/23/2004 1:20:09 AM PST by konaice
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To: nutmeg

bttt


39 posted on 11/23/2004 1:56:20 AM PST by lainde
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To: konaice
As opposed to everything being lost if forced to learn EVERY single language on earth just on the OFF chance you will need its specific naunace in some situation later in life?

Now did I say THAT either? No. I said one should be at least trilingual. There should be languages one can communicate with -- here in the US that is English. The new immigrants MUST learn English, but to mandate their native languages out of existance is wrong and will leave the world a poorer place.

Similarly, if you live in England, you speak English, but to let Welsh die out would be a shame.

IMHO, if you know the following 7 languages you can travel the world and in most cases get on -- the languages being: Chinese, English, Spanish, Arabic, French, Swahili and Russian. Spanish is an important language and trying to legislate it out os existance is as futile as the l’Académie française
40 posted on 11/23/2004 2:15:11 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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