Posted on 11/22/2004 9:35:37 AM PST by lngz78
Yeah I saw an article where you talked about deporting muslims just because their different and because of what only 19 people did who just so happened to follow their faith. I then came across an article here www.samgipp.org that said that Christians should force non Christians to become Christians.
Who do you think you are? Should we deport all Christians for what timothy Mcveigh and Adolph Hitler did? They were Christians, the proof is overwhelming!
So if your so much better than Muslims are and if Christianity is the true religion, could you please show me where in the Bible democracy woman's rights ETC are promoted?
Where is womans voting rights? what book chapter or verse?
where is religious freedom and pluralism in the Bible? The first commandment says thou shalt have no other gods? otherwise where is it?
where is it that says that Christiains shouldn't fine or jail people who deny Christ or the bible or who write books questioning the faith? I heard RJ Rushdoony say you should, otherwise what book chapter and verse?
The Muslim religion teaches that there is no compulsion in religion. You shall have yours I shall have mine. I don;t see any bible book dedicated to religious freedom like Islam. Otherwise enlighten me and show me! If your religion is not against racism and intolerance it is for it.
I don't know if you are following responses, zot and others, to your thoughts, but you would do better to read mainstream Christianity than the sites you list.
I don;t see any bible book dedicated to religious freedom like Islam….and… If your religion is not against racism and intolerance it is for it.
Have you actually read the Bible? The gospels would be a great starting place. Check out the gospel of Matthew 22:20-24. Jesus tells us how to treat one another.
You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."
With these words, Jesus commands us to love all. If we follow and believe that, what need have we of a special book outlining how that is meant to include racism or womens rights? We will be already living that! And the McVeighs and others have turned their backs on that, are not practicing what their religion teaches them to follow.
The Muslim religion teaches that there is no compulsion in religion.
No compulsion. But very clear on what happens to those who chose to not believe, convert or leave. And very clear on how they are to be dealt with, by other Muslims. Sadly, the news is filled with these stories. Is this the face of Islam you wish to present to the non-Muslim world?
You shall have yours I shall have mine.
Then why post at all?
you are such a whiny cry baby loser i'll let Darph ZOT you...
That's brilliant! (Post often)
THAT's a good deal!
On the other hand - your faith teaches that you can never be quite sure what will happen when you die. For you, it's a crap shoot.
That's NOT a good deal.
Finally, see Truth #1 again.
Believers should have no other gods. The parable of "the good Samaritan" teaches us to be respectful of EVERYONE.
That said, we can HATE the sin but LOVE the sinner. Don't expect us to embrace Mohammed's ANTICHRISTIAN death cult any time soon. Mad Man Mo hijacked the Bible and REWROTE it. When he did this he denied the divinity of Jesus and the salvation we all were given by His resurrection. Billions have been led astray from the true faith. They kill in his name, kill those who criticize his political ideology... er religion, and kill those who seek to reform Islam from within (Mohammed was the "last prophet" don't you know, no one can alter his tract). Mohammed was certainly AN antiChrist if not THE AntiChrist.
The only successful reformation I see is the lost flock (muslims) rejecting Mohammed's altered Bible (the koran) and returning to the Judeo-Christian Bible even if they become Jews and reject Jesus. The god of Islam is not the same God, it is a pale imitation cobbled together from several religions by an evil man with an agenda for power.
Now this just shows that you are a royal dumbass if you believe this trash.
The muslim cult believes that there are THREE classes of people: MUSLIMS (at the top of society and in law), JEWS/CHRISTIANS (still people of "the book" but lessers to muslims under the law and acceptable to kill), and "everybody else"/NONBELIEVERS (infidel who can be converted under the sword).
The koran finds it acceptable to wage holy war and to capture non-muslims as slaves (including sex slaves). If you say "that no longer holds" I can point out many muslims who say that Islamic law NEVER CHANGES (Mohammed was the last prophet and and he decreed the law).
Why do Islamic nations execute those muslims who convert away from Islam? Where is the open relgious freedom for non-muslims in an Islamic nation like Saudi Arabia?
Why do you people worship a meteor?
>>They were Christians, the proof is overwhelming!>>
There is no proof that these people, who claimed the Bible as ONE of the books that they followed, were believers in Christ.
Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics and the Ahmish (love their furniture) all claim to be Christian, but they add to and/or take away from the Bible and, by default, are not qualified, per the Bible. End of issue.
Of course you disagree. When you are finished arguing with the Bible about it, let us know.
I've got a book on the Nazi persecution of the churches. When Nazi soldiers went into new enemy territory, the first people they killed were evangelical preachers.
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From one of the greatest and most revered leaders of Islam in modern times (regarding the treatment of women) . . .
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Ayatollah Khomeini's Religious Teachings on Marriage, Divorce and Relationships
A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.
A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister.
A father or a paternal grandfather has the right to marry off a child who is insane or has not reached puberty by acting as its representative. The child may not annul such a marriage after reaching puberty or regaining his sanity, unless the marriage is to his manifest disadvantage.
Any girl who is of age, that is, capable of understanding what is in her own best interest, if she wishes to get married and is a virgin, must procure the authorization of her father or paternal grandfather. The permission of her mother or brother is not required.
A marriage is annulled if a man finds that his wife is afflicted with one of the seven following disabilities: madness, leprosy, eczema, blindness, paralysis with aftereffects, malformation of the urinary and genital tracts or of the genital-tract and rectum through conjoining thereof, or vaginal malformation making Coitus impossible.
If a wife finds out after marriage that her husband is suffering from mental illness, that he is a castrate, impotent, or has had his testicles excised, she may apply for annulment of her marriage.
If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of her mehryeh (her price) specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.
A Moslem woman may not marry a non-Moslem man; nor may a Moslem man marry a non-Moslem woman in continuing marriage, but he may take a Jewish or Christian woman in temporary marriage.
A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband's permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfillment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so.
A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.
If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her.
A man who has contracted a continuing marriage may not leave his wife for so long a time as to allow her to question the validity of the marriage; however, he is not obligated to spend one night out of every four with her.
A husband must have sexual relations with his wife at least once in every four months.
A woman who has been temporarily married in exchange for a previously established dowry has no right to demand that her daily expenses be paid by her husband, even when she becomes pregnant.
A temporary marriage, even though only one of convenience, is nevertheless legal.
A man must not abstain from having sexual relations with his temporary wife for more than four months.
If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.
To look upon the face and hair of a girl who has not reached puberty, if it is done without intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one is not afraid of succumbing to temptation, may be tolerated. It is however recommended that one not look upon her belly or thighs, which must remain covered.
To look upon the faces and hands of Jewish or Christian women, if this is not done with intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one does not fear temptation, is tolerated.
A woman must hide her body and her hair from the eyes of men. It is highly recommended that she also hide them from those of prepubic boys, if she suspects that they may look upon her with lust.
If a man is called upon, for medical reasons, to look upon a woman other than his wife and to touch her body, he is permitted to do so,but if he can give such care by only looking at the body he must not touch it, and if he can give it by only touching, he must not look at it.
A woman who becomes pregnant as a result of adultery must not have an abortion.
If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married.
A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.
The best person to breast-feed a newborn baby it its own mother. It is preferable that she not ask to be paid for such service, but that her husband pay her for it of his own free will. If the sum the mother asks for is greater than that charged by a wet nurse, the husband is free to take the child from its mother and turn it over to the wet nurse.
A man who repudiates his wife must be of sound mind and past the age of puberty. He must do so of his own free will and without any constraint; therefore, if the formula for divorce is spoken in jest the marriage is not annulled.
A woman temporarily married, say, for a month or a year, has her marriage automatically annulled at the end of that time, or at any other time when the husband releases her from the balance of her engagement. It is not necessary for this that there be any witnesses, or that the woman have had her period.
A woman who has not yet reached the age of nine or a menopausal woman may remarry immediately after divorce, without waiting the hundred days that are otherwise required.
A woman who has had her ninth birthday, or who has not yet entered menopause, must wait for three menstrual periods after her divorce before being allowed to remarry. If a woman who has not reached her ninth birthday or who has not entered menopause gets temporarily married, she must, at the end of the contract or when the husband has released her from part of it, wait two menstrual periods or forty-five days before marrying again.
If the father or paternal grandfather of a boy has him marry a woman for a temporary marriage, he may prematurely cancel it in the boy's interest, even if the marriage was contracted before the boy reached the age of puberty. If, for example, a fourteen-year-old boy has been married off to a woman for a period of two years, they may return her freedom to the woman before this time has run its course; but a continuing marriage cannot be broken in this way.
If a man repudiates his wife without informing her of it, and continues to meet her expenses for a period of, say, a year, and at the end of that time informs her that he got a divorce a year earlier and shows her proof of it, he may require that she return to him anything he has bought or given her during that time, provided that she has not used it up or consumed it, in which case he cannot demand its return.
If a child dies within the mother's womb and it is a danger to her life to leave it there, it must be extracted in the easiest way possible; it can. if need be, cut into pieces; this should be done by the woman's husband or a midwife.
A woman who wishes to pursue her studies toward the end of being able to earn her living through respectable work, and who has a male teacher, may do so if she keeps her face covered and has no contact with men; but if-that is inevitable, and religious and moral tenets are thus undermined, she must give up her studies. Girls and boys who attend coeducational classes in grammar schools, high schools, universities, or other teaching establishments, and who, in order to legalize such a situation, wish to contract a temporary marriage may do so without the permission of their fathers. The same applies if the boy and girl are in love but hesitate to ask for such permission.
Non Christians who seek to attack Christianity run without fail to the most archaic and outdated teachings they can find.
With Islam you need only look to the newspapers to find those archaic beliefs in action.
Jesus loves you.
The rest of us think you're an a**hole.
The short answer is no.
Okay braintrust, first of all your first sentence proves that Muslims faith tells them to commit terrorist acts!
Secondly, there is no place in the Bible that tells us we have to answer questions! Have you ever actually read one sweetie?
Thirdly, and I don't know why I bother, but there have been scads more than just 19 Muslims who have murdered for no other reason than hatred. You made a total fool of yourself here!
Hitler was deep into the occult, as were most of the Nazi Party. In fact, much of Europe was into the occult during that time. I'm just finishing reading "The Spear of Destiny" and it is sure an eye opener about Hitler and his group. They weren't only evil, they were TOTALLY insane. He had plans to exterminate Christians too. Fortunately, his reign of terror was ended.
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