Ural Farmers Got Milk Gene First?

Science Magazine ^ | 2004-11-19 | Jocelyn Kaiser

[budwiesest]

drink a gallon of milk in an hour

Nope, heard a college kid try it on the radio. Didn't make it. Seems strange though, something about the physical characteristic of milk that prevents absorption of a large quantity is an hour's time.

[PatrickHenry]

drink a gallon of milk in an hour

"I can eat 50 eggs."

[SunkenCiv]

And fava beans... don't forget those...

[DreadCthulhu]

I have personally pulled off the gallon of milk in an hour trick before, & I didn't throw up. I didn't feel well for a while afterwards, but I kept it down. So did a couple other people. (ah, college fun)

[narby]

When I was growing up in the Southern Baptist Church in the 60's, right in the middle of the Bible Belt, the "monkey trial" was settled decades before, and no Christian I knew really doubted Evolution. They taught it in school, and no issue was made of it.

But in the 80's a bunch of "Creation Science" groups started up, with the obvious intent of making a living spreading the "Gospel" of a 6 day creation. They've recently pulled back a bit and started the "Intellegen Design" message, making more money off those books, tapes and personal appearances.

The ruckus won't die down until there is no more money to be made selling this stuff. That may take awhile.

Unfortunatly, I think this is actually damaging faith itself, because it starts fights like these where the question quickly becomes "does God exist"? Some people will certianly make the decision, "no", when they might not have even thought about it before the professional Creationists came along.

[happygrl]

what are the reactions? Barfing?

No; tummy ache, bloating (from gas), and farting.

You asked.

[jennyp]

There are many ethnic groups that are generally lactose intolerant. Actually, generally speaking, drinking milk as an adult is more the exception than the rule for humans.

This is good evidence that lactose tolerance was a beneficial mutation - the realization of which can give creationists severe mental bloating.

But then there's a possible out for them: Does a mutation that keeps a gene turned on longer throughout a person's life than it used to, constitute an "increase in information"? That's where the goalposts have been moved lately, and maybe creationists can find a way to say "no, it does not increase information". If they can convince themselves of that, then they can rest easy again, secure in the knowledge that civilized society is safe for yet another day.

[grey_whiskers]

and - so? why? what? I am 53 and I STILL drink milk - all my cats up until they died at 18 & 20 drank milk - my dogs (pit bulls) like milk.

My cat loves milk but when she drinks it, her humans do NOT like the smell of what comes out the other end.

So far, we have not tried her on lactose-free milk, although it would be an interesting experiment.

BTW, does anyone know how much lactose is in goat's milk as opposed to cow's milk? Is this just more PETA / ELF / ALF / ASPCA leftist gibberish in line with their agenda to make mankind the lesser species?

Not necessarily--although there are other controversies about milk, such as the addition of antibiotics and hormones to the cattle feed, and the question of what effect these additives have on the humans who end up consuming milk or beef derived from said cattle.

I think a MUCH better application of GMO's would be to patent a line of cows which gave chocolate milk--I leave it to the professional agrarians and animal husbandry majors to find out whether such milk would lead to increased infection of the teats or milk ducts due to tastier (to germs) residue, etc.

Cheers!

[freespirited]

BTW, does anyone know how much lactose is in goat's milk as opposed to cow's milk?

It's in the same range. Here's a chart.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/zoo.htm

[SunkenCiv]

I presume you're not of Northern European descent, but are a bigot.

"Billions"? Hogwash.

[SunkenCiv]

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[CobaltBlue]

If you google these terms:

percent world's population lactose intolerant

you will see estimates from 50% to 80% of the world with at least some lactose intolerance.

[Cronos]

Makes sense -- the nomads in Central Eurasia would have had to get lactose tolerant or they wouldn't ahve been able to survive at times. I guess that drink of fermented cows milk may have started the lactose tolerance?

[Cronos]

Were they led by some huge dude with black armor, deep voice, and never seemed to die?

Well, the early myths are definitely related to two families/kingdoms. you find that common theme amongst all Indo-European religions: Hinduism, pre-Zoroastrian Irani religions, the Hittile religion, Nordic religions though it seems to have died otu in GReek and Latin religious mythology

[Cronos]

Chinese and other Asians (Japanese, Vietnamese) can't drink milk. Black Africans can't drink milk. Native Americans can't drink milk.

Hmmm... interesting. You would find that lactose tolerance seems to go where cows were tended for their milk -- like in Mesopotamia, Iran, northern India, Central Eurasia etc.

[Cronos]

Personally, I don't think evolution can be in conflict with creationism -- we can prove that say different types of ffinches evolved over centuries, but going back over millenia makes it somewhat like mythology -- unproveable. And, in my mind science should be empiraically provable. IF a subject can't be provable, then it shoudl be left to religion etc. That's why cosmology when ti talks about certain aspects, I can agree, but when it goes back to a Big Bang theory, my thought are -- can you prove it? NO. Can a creationist prove his/her line of thinking? NO. Since both arguments are inherently unproveable, why are they fighting? In fact the religious aspect at least gives people something to believe in -- "Ok, I don't know why it is there, but I can't prove it any way, so let's not worry about it".

Science's role is in explaining our natural world, not to come up with speculations.

[stremba]

You have exactly zero understanding of real science, then. There are exactly zero theories or laws of science that have been proven. There never will be any empirical proof of anything in science. Science deals with evidence, not proof. Is it possible that evolution could be shown to be wrong. Absolutely. The same can be said, however, about ANY idea in science. There is never proof of the correctness of anything in science.

[narby]

we can prove that say different types of ffinches evolved over centuries, but going back over millenia makes it somewhat like mythology

How can you know that anything existed before you were born and became aware? Perhaps God snapped all of into existence just for your personal existence.

Kind of like the Matrix, except you are the only one with awareness, all the rest, including history is just an illusion.

How do you know that I exist? Perhaps I'm just a bot that God created in order to excersize your mind.

Evolution makes sense, and I think it's real, because the evidence is overwhelming in the fossil and DNA record. To believe it's not, is to believe that God put all that stuff in place just to mess with our minds. I don't think God works that way. Why would he bother?

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